Isabel & Dano,
Many of us when we started in genealogy, we referenced records to suit our needs and did it in a way that made the most sense to us at the time. Using the terms Right and Verso makes the most sense. I am still adding the CCA image in the note in case I want to refer back to the original record. Of course if CCA ever changes even this link would no longer be relevant. So we must write the reference as if the only thing we could go back to is the original ledger. Now to institute changes to the records that I did using the term “Left” Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isabella Baltar Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 7:50 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Documentation of CCA Images I understand that is confusing, Richard, and I will try to explain how it works. First of all, forget the numbers assigned by CCA for each image, they are going to make you more confused. If someone skips one page scan, as it happened on that case, it will mess up the subsequent numbers; that is why in digital conservation, we scan all pages, even those that don’t have anything on it. Now let me try to explain as simple as possible, because is not that simple as one may think, as rules changes from western to eastern societies. We read from left to right and they read from right to left. I will use the book I mentioned as an example. The book is in very bad condition, especially on the front, where all the corners as missing, leaving no clue on page numbering, except the dates of the baptisms that guide us to a chronological order. Later on we start seeing the page numbers on the top right side. They were assigned only on the recto side (front side of the page). My record, Anna’s baptism, was on the front side of the page, 27r, “r” as for recto (front). If the record was on the verso (back) side of that same book, we would refer it as 27v, “v” as for verso, because no page number was assigned for that side. We only use “r” recto “v” verso or “f” front “v” verso, when the leaves are numbered on one side. Otherwise you won’t need to refer as recto or verso, as you will have a different number on each side of the leaf. A leaf is considered a piece of paper with a page on the recto side (front) and another page on the verso side (back). If my record was on the beginning of the book, where no page number could be seen, due to the condition of the book, I would make a notation on the missing corners on that part of the book, but sorted in a chronological order. I hope I answered your question. Any other question will be very welcome. If I skipped something, let me know. Sometimes I answer the emails in the heat of the conversation and miss something. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, March 17, 2014 11:29:39 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: With page numbers there seems to be some confusion. Usually when you bring up an image it is as if you open a book there is a page on the right and a page on the left. It could be image number 0050. In the upper right corner is a page number say 48. Now if you are referencing the record on the left would that be page 48 left entry or would it be page 47 reverse side? Which one most accurately describes the location? I long ago decided to use a description such as this: “Page number 48, left entry, CCA image 0050.” I guess the question is do you consider one piece of paper a page or is when in a book what you see as two pages together? Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX From: azo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> ] On Behalf Of Isabella Baltar Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 1:16 PM To: azo...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> Cc: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Documentation of CCA Images You are correct, Walter. I did not look carefully when doing that citation . Going back again on that book, I can see that originally the folios carried a consecutive number on the recto side, most having missing corners on the front side. Anna [f. Francisco Ferreira Dormonde m. Barbara], baptismal record of 26 Jul 1616, Registros Paroquiais da Ilha Terceira, Municipio de Angra do Heroismo, Vila de São Sebastião, Matriz da Vila de São Sebastião, 1611 – 1687, page 27r, arranged by date. Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroismo, Angra do Heroismo, Ilha Terceira, Azores. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Monday, March 17, 2014 12:38:14 PM UTC-4, akatex1947 wrote: Isabella, FYI, when I looked at your document for Anna and I noticed that it is paginated. Your document is on page 27 (right hand side). If you look very carefully, you can see the numbers in the top right corner. Some pages show it better than others (ie: image 0042 is page 22, image 0060 is page 31, image 0068 is page 35, etc). Every two images are on the same page so for example image 0051 and 0052 are both on page 27 (0051 on page 27 left and 0052 on page 0027 right) The page numbers are always on the right hand page (every 2 image numbers) and in almost all cases that I have encountered, the books are page numbered although sometimes they are hard to make out or interpret. Great citation information and appreciate you sharing it with us. Walter Teixeira aka...@earthlink.net On Sunday, March 16, 2014 8:10:08 AM UTC-5, Isabella Baltar wrote: Denis, I learned how to do a citation on one of the courses from the National Institute of Genealogical Studies, they have several and very useful courses that I have been doing since 2011 in order to have a certification. Several are the ways of doing a citation, National Archives has it is own way of doing it. The course recommended, between others, the book Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian, from Elizabeth Shown Mills, a small but very detailed book on several types of entries we face on our daily research. I adapted what I learned from the course and book and created a "primary citation" for the parish records we find in Azores. The primary citation is very useful if you, or anyone else, needs to see that record again, or go in person to the Library. Lets see one record, from my family; one of the oldest ones that I have on my Drummond side of the family. It is a baptismal record; note that the book is unpaginated, but as the dates are arranged in a cronological way, having the date of the baptism is crucial to locate it. I did not mention the link to the document, on the citation, as it may change over the years. For those willing to see it, the link is: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687/TER-AH-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1611-1687_item1/P52.html Below is the primary citation for this baptismal record, bibliographic entry is different than this one. Anna [f. Francisco Ferreira Dormonde m. Barbara], baptismal record of 26 Jul 1616, Registros Paroquiais da Ilha Terceira, Municipio de Angra do Heroismo, Vila de São Sebastião, Matriz da Vila de São Sebastião, 1611 – 1687, unpaginated, arranged by date. Biblioteca Pública e Arquivo Regional de Angra do Heroismo, Angra do Heroismo, Ilha Terceira. I hope this will help you and others that need to make a primary citation. If you or anyone needs further information, just send me a private email. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, March 14, 2014 7:13:27 PM UTC-4, sm figueiredo wrote: Cheri, and others who may choose to comment: Now that Santa Maria is at long last online, we are presented with a new problem, one that most of you have possibly previously faced. Namely, an universally accepted way of documenting each image, so that others may easily find the same image. I understand that most just use the digital address as given by CCA (example below). To do so is fine, as long as CCA is online, and does not change their system. But this format would probably be unacceptable to any book editor. [http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1822-1834_item1/P70.html] Denis Meals -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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