Hello, Dano, Thank you so much for that insight about the "avos incognito" of the child. So, these (grandparents of the child) didn't want their names in the record because their daughter married "down"? I never thought that would be one reason why parents were listed as incognito. I assumed"incognito" was because they were unknown maybe for moral reasons or that maybe they were orphaned.
This insight cast some light on the relationship between my dear mother in law and her own mother. The mother was actually the granddaughter of the woman who was "disowned" by her parents because she married down. My mother in law married in Boston, a man from the Azores. They had to elope and she was 30 something because her mother would not consent to her marrying him. So, I conclude, thats what she saw as a child in the "old country" therefore, that's what she learned. Yes, i noticed that the godparents were indeed from the higher social class. It's the first godparents in my research that have the title "Dona". I noticed it but didn't pay much attention to the circumstances behind it. Ive since learned that the father mentioned in my first email, Jose, was, in fact, a brother of Luiz D'Almeida. This is my first time coming across the person using the surname of the mother at one baptism and the father's surname on another formal ceremony. I've read that on this list so I was aware that might be the case, but I had not been "tested" until now. And THANK YOU for deciphering the name of the mother, the wife of Jose! That was a hard one. I appreciate all your help. Thank you. Maria Elena > On Mar 18, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Dano <dpai...@gmail.com> wrote: > > First off, I can't speak to what you have for Luiz d'Almeida, because, this > baptism is for a child named Jose. Secondly, you don't have Pai incognito, > you have (maternal) Avos incognito - in other words the mother's parents are > unnamed. > > This is a Baptism celebrated in the Matriz of Sao Sebastiao, in the city of > Ponta Delgada. The child, Jose, is the *"legitimate" son of Jose d'Almeida, > native of the parish of Nossa Senhora da Penha da Franca, in the place Agua > Retorta, and, Jenoveva da Conceicao, native of the parish of Sao Pedro, in > the city of Ponta Delgada (*the parents were married). Paternal Grandparents > are Jose d'Almeida and Miguelina de Resende. Maternal Grandparents, as I said > above, are unnamed. The Maternal Grandparents were probably members of the > social elite and frowned on their daughter marrying someone who was not. > Given the names, and stations, of some of the participants, I'd say that the > family was well-connected. > > Now, it is also likely that the Paternal Grandmother used different names, at > different times - many women did so (sometimes they used their father's > surname, sometimes their mother's). You can probably check that out by > researching the marriage - in fact, the mother's parents may actually be > named therein. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
