Linda, Since both Manuel's mother and Maria do Rosario's parents match the baptismal records of their son Francisco, I'm so sure this is them. Can you think of a reason why they would list Manuel's father as "Pai Incognito" when he knows who it is? Google translate lists asuente as "absent" like you say. Would there be a reason they would shift from "absent" to "unknown?" I know Cheri mentioned that the family may not have liked him. Could that have taken effect by the time Manuel and Maria's son Francisco was born? This has to be the same Manuel and Maria that's in my line. I just know it.
On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 9:59:07 PM UTC-5, linda wrote: > > > This link: > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P74.html > > brief info > > 9 June 1823, morning > no impediments > > Manoel Jose Machado filho de Antonio Machado ausente natural de Ilha de S. > Jorje e de Rosa Maria naturais e fregueses de... [parish church of N.S. de > Guadalupe where the groom was baptised...] > + Maria do Rosario filha legitima de Francisco Jose [Espinolha?] ja > defunto e de sua molher Maria do Rosario [natives and parishioners of the > parish of S. Matheus where the bride was baptised...] > > The record states that Manoel Jose Machado is the son of Antonio Machado, > absent/away, a native of Sao Jorge island and Rosa Maria native and > parishioner of N.S. de Guadalupe > > > > On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 3:05:33 PM UTC-7, Christian Day wrote: >> >> I had forgotten to put the link but I'm pretty sure it's the same person. >> Can you take a peek at this and see how Antonio is described? Maybe it's a >> godfather? >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825/GRA-SC-SAOMATEUS-C-1808-1825_item1/P74.html >> >> As for the immigrant, I have actually collected him as well as two of his >> siblings. I haven't seen reference to any others yet but I've been looking. >> As for marriages, I have my immigrant's marriage and believe the marriage >> of one of his brothers happened here in the U.S. though I haven't been able >> to find it and the last one I've had difficulty finding much about at all. >> However, Manuel Machado is a few back from my immigrant and all of the >> others have been carefully pieced together and interconnect through a lot >> of cross-referencing. My immigrant Joao definitely comes from Jacintho who >> definitely comes from Francisco who very likely comes from Manuel but the >> omission of "legitimate" is very telling so I think either he was adopted >> or there something in the translation of his birth certificate so I am >> going to keep searching for that baptism now that I know where to look. >> Since this mysterious Antonio was from San Jorge and and Manuel's mother >> Roza Maria is from Guadalupe, I'm going to search Guadalupe next. >> >> If these people were illiterate, that may explain why things are omitted >> and added but until I can translate the doc above, I won't really know what >> the context of Antonio is. It could be a godfather he took his name from >> but until I locate his baptism, I won't know. >> >> Of course in another part of the tree, the Pastorinho we were discussing, >> he and his wife's father are both pai incognito. Fun! >> >> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 11:30:23 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Something tells me this isn't right. He wouldn't name his father when he >>> was a groom, and then when his baby was being baptized, he suddenly said >>> his dad was a pai incognito. >>> >>> New homework assignment for you. No more researching back in time. Go >>> back to your immigrant and find all his siblings as well as the siblings' >>> marriages. Then go back a generation and collect all the siblings of that >>> generation as well as the marriages of those siblings. Make sure you note >>> the godparents too. Once you start to get a complete picture of each >>> generation, things will start to come into focus. >>> >>> One more thing...quit following the leaves on that tree on Ancestry. Do >>> your own research then compare it at the end. >>> >>> This list has 1600 people and many are willing to help you "read" the >>> records. As you collect siblings though, you will see your "reading" skills >>> strengthen and it will become easier. >>> Cheri >>> >> -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
