Gayle, OK, yes, it's coming back to me. That's what it was... no pai(s) incognito(s) in the book. I probably over applied the memory to include the CITCEM. You use it more than me, so you would know that kind of stuff.
Still don't know for sure what freguesia Louie is in and I'm going off to bed. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:01 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Cheri, > > The confusion may stem from the book to database transition. In Amorim's > book, the genealogical info was shown as an appendix. Children of unknown > parentage were not listed. (Only family groups appeared.) Maybe some > slipped in, but not many. The database allowed more fields to be included, > so more people were listed, e.g. a parent born in a different village > appears in the database but not in the appendix. And, they linked up the > families in a "friendlier" format compared to the codes shown in the > appendix. > > For me, one of the frustrations has been when a person, e.g. father, is > listed but birth is attributed to a different freguesia and then in the > records for that village he is listed as born in the first freguesia or > does not appear at all. In other words, the cross referencing sometimes > misses the mark. Which begs the question "Who messed up ?" The priest ? The > transcriber ? Or, regardless of the person, was it simply a case of too > much vinho as you like to say ? > > Ok, it's a bit late for standing on a soap box, so I'll close by wishing > you Happy Holidays. > > Take care, > > Gayle > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2016, at 12:20 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Gayle, I know they have added some. I know the initial project didn't > really include them. Or maybe it's only some freguesias. I don't utilize > the database that much because I don't have family there. I use it to help > researchers here. So you would know more than I would. I remember in the > beginning they skipped over the "pai incognito" or "pais incognitos." So > you know more than me! So if they include them now, then I stand corrected. > Thanks! > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:16 AM, 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >> Cheri, >> >> I hate to disagree with you as your track record is so good, but there >> are children without fathers listed. Maybe not all are listed. In fact, >> some are listed without either parent as in the case of expostos. >> >> At least, in the records for Pico where I did my research. >> >> Gayle >> >> >> >> On Dec 17, 2016, at 11:55 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Yes, that's CITCEM (formerly NEPS). It's housed at the University of >> Minho. It was a sociology study there at that university. They were >> compiling records of baptisms, marriages, and deaths. The left out children >> who had no fathers (I don't understand that as some of them grew up and >> were a part of society). A woman on this list was there doing research when >> this project was going on. She saw the students. Not only does the >> opportunity for human error come into play, she said that she observed some >> of them flirting and what not. So yes, lots of opportunities for errors. >> >> Without the cookie crumb trail of where you are finding this URL (it >> kinda looks like R.Seca on Sao Jorge), I'm not going to guess. Find the >> record on the CCA and I'll take a look at the record. But you need to do >> the legwork and find the record (I'm guessing you want the death?) >> >> Cheri >> >> >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:37 PM, LouieLouieOhOh < >> louielouieo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Cheri, >>> >>> Here is the site ... >>> >>> http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=ribeiraseca&l >>> ang=pt&m=NG&n=Jose+Francisco+Azevedo&t=PN >>> >>> Louie >>> >>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:03:53 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> You mean CITCEM? (Old acronym - NEPS) >>>> >>>> Only freguesia on CITCEM for Sao Jorge island is Ribeira Seca. Not >>>> Norte Grande. >>>> >>>> There's lots of mistakes in CITCEM. You should check the original >>>> records. You don't say where this Jose Francisco Azevedo died or post any >>>> link. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 3:09 PM, LouieLouieOhOh <louielo...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> While browsing the uminho.pt site, I came across this: >>>>> >>>>> José Francisco Azevedo >>>>> >>>>> - Born on 1 January 1826 - N.Grande,N.S.Neves >>>>> - Died on 23 November 1889 - rs/Fredonda >>>>> - Age at death: 63 years old >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know what "rs/Fredonda" represents? >>>>> >>>>> Louie >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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