Hi Diane, Nice to meet you also. Are you related to John Richard Rezendes? We had initiated a couple of emails regarding this Manuel.
Thank you John for posting the links. I was on the way out and didn't get a chance to. Diane, I can send you all that I have on our Rezendes line. You will still need to continue your research as to how Manuel got his citizenship. I do know it is very possible his father acquired because many members of the family left the island at the same time, including my Grandmother's sister Victoria. They went first to Mass and then line settled in the Hawaiian Islands and later in California. There was another member of this list by the name of Cindy whose husband is also connected to this family. I'll be happy to share with you all that I have, and it you would like, please email me directly with any questions you may have. Margaret On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:47 PM, Margaret Vicente < margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: > Cheri, > > The double V (W) was part of the alphabet however as later dropped as it > became redundant and back on under the new orthographic accord along with > the addition of letters K and Y. > > It's like "now you see it and now you don't" LOL. > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks Margaret. The first basic Portuguese grammar book that I bought >> stated there was no W, so that's why I was thinking ?????. And Di thinks >> the name is of Russian origin. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Margaret Vicente < >> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Cheri, >>> >>> It was pronounced as the letter "V". Valdemira >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So what's with Waldemira? She's immigrated under that name, but "W" >>>> isn't used in Portuguese. >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Diane, >>>>> >>>>> Your Manuel de Rezendes is my Great Grandfather's also named Manuel de >>>>> Rezendes, 2nd Cousin. >>>>> >>>>> He had a brother named Caetano and a sister Maria married to Manuel >>>>> Furtado do Couto. >>>>> >>>>> His parents were Manuel de Rezendes and Alexandrina da Gloria, married >>>>> in Sao Pedro Nov 23 1891. My GGF first cousin and son of Bento de >>>>> Rezendes. >>>>> >>>>> I'll be happy to assist with any questions you may have on this side >>>>> of the family. This family originated in Santa Maria Island. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Cousin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've got to go,but took a quick look...."W" is not used in the >>>>>> Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will >>>>>> need >>>>>> his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes < >>>>>> diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, Cheri. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to >>>>>>> get it for you later on... >>>>>>> from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how >>>>>>> much of it is helpful...): >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from >>>>>>> the Azores* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death >>>>>>> September (10?), 1977. >>>>>>> - immigrated via Port of Boston. >>>>>>> - Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling >>>>>>> in Somerville, MA >>>>>>> - In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, >>>>>>> Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they >>>>>>> married at >>>>>>> the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) >>>>>>> - He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have >>>>>>> the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. >>>>>>> - The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know >>>>>>> - his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is >>>>>>> useful). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for >>>>>>> US citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that >>>>>>> people at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, >>>>>>> perhaps not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came >>>>>>> back >>>>>>> as 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as >>>>>>> we know)* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will >>>>>>> verify. >>>>>>> - Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on >>>>>>> the Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. >>>>>>> - His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). >>>>>>> - (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). >>>>>>> - I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to >>>>>>> see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or >>>>>>> not! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything >>>>>>> more... >>>>>>> thanks! >>>>>>> di >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Di, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American >>>>>>>> arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on >>>>>>>> Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant >>>>>>>> ancestor >>>>>>>> LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. >>>>>>>> Censuses >>>>>>>> say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know >>>>>>>>> what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do >>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>> that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I >>>>>>>>> helped a >>>>>>>>> friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, >>>>>>>>> obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed >>>>>>>>> earlier. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Try these: >>>>>>>>> "*Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor*" by James C. Neagles and Lile >>>>>>>>> Lee Neagles. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "*American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985*" >>>>>>>>> by John J. Newman. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "*A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States*" by >>>>>>>>> Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your >>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>> library). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheri >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente < >>>>>>>>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his >>>>>>>>>> father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" >>>>>>>>>> went to >>>>>>>>>> the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> These rights could only be acquired through *a*) a *born* >>>>>>>>>> American Citizen (which he's not) or* b*) a son/daughter of an >>>>>>>>>> American citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm >>>>>>>>>> suggesting you're looking in the wrong direction and should instead >>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> looking at his parents and grandparents history. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession >>>>>>>>>> in Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao >>>>>>>>>> Miguel. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the >>>>>>>>>> specifics i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello < >>>>>>>>>> gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put >>>>>>>>>>> you in contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who >>>>>>>>>>> has worked >>>>>>>>>>> for them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does >>>>>>>>>>> genealogy >>>>>>>>>>> lectures too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, >>>>>>>>>>> Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <diane.rezen...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather >>>>>>>>>>>> never lived in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, >>>>>>>>>>>> died >>>>>>>>>>>> there, and spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> granted US citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. >>>>>>>>>>>> His sons >>>>>>>>>>>> (my grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & >>>>>>>>>>>> around East >>>>>>>>>>>> Cambridge, MA. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading >>>>>>>>>>>>> your posts & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of >>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge here and >>>>>>>>>>>>> the commitment & dedication to the research! And special >>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciation to >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheri Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's what I'm trying to figure out: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My great-grandfather, *Manuel Rezendes (Resendes)* was born >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Ponta Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a >>>>>>>>>>>>> document from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An >>>>>>>>>>>>> American >>>>>>>>>>>>> Citizen" about him. So we know at some point, he was granted >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizenship, >>>>>>>>>>>>> even though he never took advantage of it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of >>>>>>>>>>>>> citizenship was for him and his children. So his five children >>>>>>>>>>>>> were born >>>>>>>>>>>>> with Portuguese AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his >>>>>>>>>>>>> brothers >>>>>>>>>>>>> emigrated without having to be naturalized. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he >>>>>>>>>>>>> is listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it >>>>>>>>>>>>> lists his >>>>>>>>>>>>> home address and the notation *'through father's papers'*). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my >>>>>>>>>>>>> great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship. I've called the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 >>>>>>>>>>>>> years). >>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National >>>>>>>>>>>>> Archives, >>>>>>>>>>>>> where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- and in >>>>>>>>>>>>> fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> other route >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., >>>>>>>>>>>>> but that >>>>>>>>>>>>> could take years, ha. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard >>>>>>>>>>>>> of anything like this?* Or ideas of other ways to try to >>>>>>>>>>>>> track it down? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all >>>>>>>>>>>>> tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> all the best, >>>>>>>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>>>>>>> Diane Rezendes >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>>>> the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/4bSAJP879Kw/unsubscribe. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>>>> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Margaret M Vicente >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > -- Margaret M Vicente -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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