Sounds like her name could be Guillimina or a variation of.
Rick From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 2:14 PM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rezendes, Ponta Delgada - trying to track down source of US citizenship grant I've got to go,but took a quick look...."W" is not used in the Portuguese alphabet, so I don't know where Waldemira comes from?? Will need his immigration dates. Will wait for you to get back home. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:57 AM, diane rezendes <diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi, Cheri. Wow! thank you so very much! I'm at work right now, so will have to get it for you later on... from memory, here's what I can tell you at the moment (not sure how much of it is helpful...): my grandfather: Manuel Rezendes: he is the one who emigrated from the Azores * DOB Jan. 20 (or 21), 1901 in Ponta Delgada. (date of death September (10?), 1977. * immigrated via Port of Boston. * Came to the US twice before his third and final trip, settling in Somerville, MA * In this last trip, he brought his new bride (my grandmother, Waldemira) [Raposo da Conceiçao -- I think...] in 1927. (they married at the Church of Sao Pedro in Ponta Delgada.) * He held US citizenship 'through father's papers.' I also have the passenger manifest from at least one of the voyages. * The census data I found for him is consistent with what I know - his wife, their ages, address (4 Waldo Ave., Somerville, if that is useful). I did find through the Library of Congress that he had applied for US citizenship many years after he was here (the family story is that people at work were teasing him that he'd get sent back, so he applied, perhaps not confident that he was a citizen - and the application came back as 'disqualified' or similar because he was already a US citizen). his father: also Manuel Rezendes (who did NOT emigrate, so far as we know) * born Ponta Delgada. Year of birth 1869, I believe - will verify. * Year of death 1927, also in Ponta Delgada. I have 'Report on the Death of an American Citizen' from the US Consulate there. * His wife was Alexandrina (I have the marriage papers as well). * (spelling was likely Resendes in earlier generations). * I did not look in Azorean Passaportes (was not aware of it) to see if he had ever left. Our family understanding is that he lived there his whole life, but you know how reliable family memory can be -- or not! I will also check with my cousins to see if they have anything more... thanks! di On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: Di, Can you tell me where to find your immigrant ancestor's American arrival record? Under what name, date, and port? I can look it up on Ancestry. It might help Marian. Also, did you find your immigrant ancestor LEAVING the Azores in the Azorean Passaportes? What did the U.S. Censuses say about citizenship for your ancestor through the years? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: Or it's the papers of the wrong Manuel Resendes. The naturalization laws changed a lot over the years. I don't know what they laws were off the top of my head for the mid-1800s. I do know that the rule Rosemarie stated was still in effect in the 1940s. I helped a friend with his genealogy and his dad, born in Poland in the 1920s, obtained his citizenship via his dad's citizenship, who was filed earlier. Try these: "Locating Your Immigrant Ancestor" by James C. Neagles and Lile Lee Neagles. "American Naturalization Processes and Procedures 1790- 1985" by John J. Newman. "A Guide to Naturalization Records of the United States" by Christina K. Schaefer. (All of these are probably available in your public library). I'm going to contact Marian on your behalf as well. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:54 AM, Margaret Vicente <margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, and from what you wrote his children moved to the USA on his father's "Naturalisation" papers. Papers of someone that "never" went to the USA, someone that was "naturalised", right? These rights could only be acquired through a) a born American Citizen (which he's not) or b) a son/daughter of an American citizen, naturalised through the parents. That's why I'm suggesting you're looking in the wrong direction and should instead be looking at his parents and grandparents history. One other factor that may be relevant, is what was his profession in Ponta Delgada? Also presuming this to be in the island of Sao Miguel. Someone in this list may be able to assist if you provide the specifics i.e. place and date of his birth and his parents names. On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: There's something not right about this. I'll see if I can put you in contact with Marian Smith of the USCIS. She's the one who has worked for them for years (going back to the INS days) and she does genealogy lectures too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Di <diane.rezen...@gmail.com> wrote: thanks for your replies! so speedy, too! here's the thing that has me confused: my great-grandfather never lived in the United States. He was born in Ponta Delgada, died there, and spent his whole life there, yet somewhere along the way was granted US citizenship. that's the piece that seems mysterious. His sons (my grandfather & great-uncles) came to the US and lived in & around East Cambridge, MA. On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 8:03:20 AM UTC-7, Di wrote: Hi everyone! I'm new to the group and this is my first post. In reading your posts & replies, I'm so impressed with the depth of knowledge here and the commitment & dedication to the research! And special appreciation to Cheri Mello for managing the listserv - what a labor of love. Here's what I'm trying to figure out: My great-grandfather, Manuel Rezendes (Resendes) was born in Ponta Delgada around 1869. He died in Ponta Delgada in 1927. I have a document from the American Consulate, "Report on the Death of An American Citizen" about him. So we know at some point, he was granted citizenship, even though he never took advantage of it. It's 'derivative papers,' meaning that the grant of citizenship was for him and his children. So his five children were born with Portuguese AND US citizenship - which is how my avô and his brothers emigrated without having to be naturalized. On the passenger manifest for the ship my avô came over on, he is listed as a US citizen (under 'Court of Naturalization,' it lists his home address and the notation 'through father's papers'). I'm trying to track down the circumstances of how my great-grandfather was granted the US citizenship. I've called the Consulate (they told me they don't keep the paperwork after 20 years). Recently while on a visit to Washington, I went to the National Archives, where the archivists told me they'd never heard anything like it -- and in fact, doubted my story until I showed them the paperwork. The other route I'm going to try, at their suggestion, is the US State Dep't., but that could take years, ha. Has anyone here had a similar circumstance, or have you heard of anything like this? Or ideas of other ways to try to track it down? I am a complete novice at all this, so any and all tips/direction/advice are warmly welcomed! all the best, di Diane Rezendes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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