Cheri, I completely understand your point about finding the right Jose. It's easy to get excited when you find something close, but I kept feeling unsure when I'd see a name change or birth date change. I'll see if I can find some information about who told the biographical excerpt in the book and start looking for some of the other records your mentioned (death, marriage, obituary) and the link you sent (thank you again).
I'll talk to my grandma about the FTDNA test, I'm sure she'd be willing to take it. Thank you (again) for the link and information. I'm excited to get started on research now that I feel I have a some direction! -Kelley On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 3:47:55 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Kelley, > > Yeah, it's the way the documentation works. Even with American records. I > have deaths that some states call "Death Certificates" and I have others > that the states call it a "Certificate of Death." Since it has 2 different > names, they are different things (although the function is the same). > > Since I was in a rush to get to work, Margaret was able to take a closer > look and said it's a certified copy of the birth. Then she provided you the > link to the actual baptism. I go with the main source - the baptism. > > However, the main point I want to make (so you don't go barking up the > wrong tree), is that you are going to have to figure out the evidence to > determine if the correct Jose was obtained. > > One thing I teach in my genealogy class (and it's probably taught in all > genealogy classes) is: > Who said it? When did they say it? How did they know? > > What you've got is information from "The History of Sonoma County." So, > "Who said it?" Was Jose/Joseph alive and was he interviewed (and by whom?). > Also, when was the book published (answer the question of "When did they > say it?" - probably within a year of publication). If Joseph/Jose did not > give the information himself, how did this other person know (How did they > know?) You are saying Joseph Francis Martin (Jose Francisco Martin(s)) b. 5 > May 1842 on Flores to a Jose and Maria Martin(s). So WHO said that in the > Sonoma County book? If Joseph/Jose was alive and interviewed himself, > there's no way he would mess up his mom's name. The baptism (or certified > birth) say Jose Freitas Martins and Catarina Florinda. Maria and Catarina > (Mary and Catherine) are names that people don't confuse. > > You need to do more than just rely on the Sonoma County book. You need to > order your Joseph/Jose's death (from California). You need to find his > obituaries. His marriage certificate (license, preferably). And you need to > find him in every single census that you can. There's 30+ pages of things > you can do to try to figure him out: > https://goo.gl/dGG4Ar > > As for the 23andMe test, it has something like 160,000 SNPs (areas or > locations) that they test for family markers versus FTDNA's 700,000 SNPs > (areas/locations). So it doesn't transfer. See if she'll test with FTDNA. > It's a swab (much easier than the saliva). It's like fishing for cousins in > another pond. You'll also be able to transfer it to My Heritage (for free). > Yet another pond. It's on sale through Aug. 31st for $59 (+$12.95 S&H and > includes return postage back to Texas - assuming your grandmother lives in > the States): https://goo.gl/vTndP3 You want her to order the Family > Finder test. If she agrees, you can order it and have it mailed to her > house. > > Hope you can figure out who said the information in the Sonoma County > History book. Cheri > > On Aug 22, 2018 9:46 AM, "Margaret Vicente" <margare...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Cheri, >> >> This is a certified and notarized copy of the birth record. It is as >> good as it gets. >> >> Kelley, I'm not certain how I can help but here's the link to the >> certified birth record. >> >> If I can assist with anything else please let me know. I'll send you the >> translation later. >> >> >> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-B-1839-1848/FLR-LF-LAJESDASFLORES-B-1839-1848_item1/P88.html >> >> Margaret >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2018 at 10:13 AM Kelley Benck <kelley...@gmail.com >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Cheri...birth certificates definitely attached now. The Sonoma County >>> records says 5 May 1843 from Flores, Azores but his birth certificate says >>> 28 May 1843 though still from Flores. She went to the Azores through a tour >>> and when she told her guides that she wanted to looks up her relative (from >>> Flores) they directed her to an archives center in Terceira. She's done a >>> DNA test through 23andme but not through Family Tree or AncestryDNA, does >>> 23andme transfer? >>> >>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 7:38:06 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks, Kelley, I (and the whole list) can now see your name. >>>> >>>> Nothing was attached. I checked Lajes das Flores for a Jose born 5 May >>>> 1842. There isn't one. >>>> >>>> There's a big problem though. If your Jose was from Flores, his >>>> baptismal would have been on the island of Faial, in their archives. If >>>> your grandmother found his birth in the Archive on Terceira, he's not from >>>> Flores. The archive on Terceira only hold records from Terceira, Graciosa, >>>> and Sao Jorge islands. >>>> >>>> So if you think he's from Flores, why didn't your grandma go to the >>>> archives in Horta on Faial island? Why did she go to Terceira? >>>> >>>> Has your grandmother done a DNA test? She'll either match Flores people >>>> or the central island group. It would be helpful. It's on sale at Family >>>> Tree DNA (FTDNA) until Aug. 31st: https://goo.gl/vTndP3 You want the >>>> Family Finder test for her. It's a cheek swab. Depending on her age, some >>>> seniors find the swab much easier. Some have a very difficult time making >>>> enough saliva. If she tested on AncestryDNA, she can transfer to FTDNA. >>>> Cheri >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 7:23 PM Kelley Benck <kelley...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Cheri, thank you for your reply! Just updated my displace name >>>>> (Kelley). >>>>> >>>>> Perfect timing because my grandmother today was finally able to find >>>>> her copy Jose's birth certificate (attached with translated version) from >>>>> when she went to Terceira over 10 years ago. His birthday and mother's >>>>> name >>>>> on the birth certificate are different from the Sonoma County history >>>>> book. >>>>> Looks like he was from Lajes, Flores and his parents names are listed as >>>>> Jose Martins and Catarina Florinda. Jose (the son) left Flores when he >>>>> was >>>>> 14 (1857) on a whaling ship and according to the Sonoma County records he >>>>> arrived in the US in 1861 in Humboldt Bay where he lived for about ten >>>>> years before returning to Flores to marry his wife (Sonoma County lists >>>>> her >>>>> name as Mary Rose). They "immediately" returned to Eureka, CA and lived >>>>> there until they moved to Healdsburg, CA (Sonoma County area) in 1873 and >>>>> lived in that area until he died (he's buried in a cemetery in >>>>> Sebastopol, >>>>> CA which is now about 30 minutes from Healdsburg). His first wife (the >>>>> supposed "Mary Rose") died in 1891 after having two kids (Mary and Frank >>>>> Francis), and according to the Sonoma County records he remarried to June >>>>> 1892 to a Marie DeRose who they say "also was a native of the Azores >>>>> islands." >>>>> >>>>> My mom has a subscription to Ancestry.com which is what we've used for >>>>> most of this research and the local library. Finding information on Jose >>>>> once he was in California hasn't been too difficult but I can't find any >>>>> CA >>>>> records of his first wife and wanted to see what information I could get >>>>> about his parents. Any resource recommendations would be welcomed! >>>>> Hopefully this isn't too long of a reply, thanks again for your quick >>>>> response! >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 6:00:55 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Kbenck (do you have a name? We have over 2000 people, so it's a >>>>>> good idea to sign your name !) >>>>>> >>>>>> You are correct, trying to find a Jose (born about 5 May 1842) to a >>>>>> Jose & Maria Martin is too generic. You need to get a freguesia >>>>>> (village) >>>>>> over there. What research have you done on your immigrant ancestor? If >>>>>> you >>>>>> can tell us what you have done, we can suggest resources. Is there >>>>>> anyone >>>>>> in your family who might know the freguesia (village), even a partial >>>>>> name >>>>>> or a butchered name? When did he get to America and to which port? >>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:34 PM kbenck <kelley...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all. My mom has been working on our ancestry for years and >>>>>>> I've recently started doing some of my own research. I know of a family >>>>>>> member Joseph Francis Martin (B: 5 May 1842 in Flores) but I was hoping >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> attain information on his parents. The only information I've been able >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> find is from a book, *History of Sonoma County* (where he lived >>>>>>> from age 14 to death), where his parents are briefly mentioned as >>>>>>> Joseph >>>>>>> and Mary Martin who lived and died "on the Azores islands." Their names >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> pretty generic to research but I was wondering if anyone had >>>>>>> recommendations for resources? I was thinking of trying to find some >>>>>>> sort >>>>>>> of birth record for Joseph F. and work backwards from there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hopefully this wasn't a dumb question, I'm new to all this and would >>>>>>> love to get some advice! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Margaret M Vicente >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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