Diane DM, 23andMe from March 2018 is the v.5 chip and doesn't transfer :( 23andMe has more health markers which FTDNA does not use in matching people together as cousins. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 9:58 AM Diane DeMelo <[email protected]> wrote: > Cheri, thank you. When I know when I'll be going, I most definitely will. > Unfortunately the transfer from 23andme to FTDNA gave me an error, I > thought it was successful when I saw a kit ID even after the error message. > Perhaps it's not a comptaible version (purchased in March 2018). I will > wait for a sale. > > On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 7:29:46 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Diane DM, >> >> Let me know when you need a kit for your aunt! >> Happy hunting, Cheri >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 4:27 PM Diane DeMelo <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Cheri, >>> >>> Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Such fascinating and helpful >>> information! I enjoyed reading the naming practices. Insightful article >>> about Finding Your Roots too! >>> >>> Such a fascinating narrative about what may have happened with Maria and >>> the baby. It'll just be one of those things we'll never know! I did locate >>> a woman in my cousin's tree called Violante Rosa de Medeiros Festa who >>> lived in Faial da Terra with an occupation as midwife/parteira that would >>> have been 30 in 1866 when Jose was born. Interesting. >>> >>> My parents are both deceased and the only living sibling of my dad is >>> his younger sister, about 82. She's in good physical health but she's been >>> in the Casa de Saúde in Ponta Delgada since she was 18. I was there last in >>> 2017 and wish I had been interested in this at the time. There's a >>> possibility I might visit next year and I think for her the best thing >>> would be a cheek swab so it looks like FTDNA would fit the bill for that. I >>> did my own testing with 23andme. I've uploaded my results to FTDNA on your >>> suggestion and will eagerly await the results. >>> >>> I have a lot of research ahead of me! I appreciate all the help and >>> advice! >>> >>> Diane >>> >>> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 1:24:36 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: >>>> >>>> Diane DM, >>>> >>>> They are small villages and people talk. People may have seen Maria and >>>> knew she was pregnant. And perhaps Maria thought no one saw her or no one >>>> would talk. So after giving birth, she leaves her baby at the roda (the >>>> wheel - it's like a Lazy Susan for offerings given to the church). The baby >>>> is turned over to the Camara and they assign a nursing woman to feed the >>>> baby. The child, if it lives, is raised by the family for 7 years. At the >>>> age of 7, the child can chose to stay with the family or make his/her own >>>> way. >>>> >>>> Now, if people saw Maria and saw that she had no baby, they may have >>>> asked her where it was. So then she claimed her baby. Maybe she had a >>>> change of heart and decided to claim her baby and raise him herself. Maybe >>>> as he got a little bigger, he looked so much like her that she went ahead >>>> and claimed him. We don't know. Somewhere between Jose's birth and >>>> marriage, he found out who his mom was. >>>> >>>> Why these expostos pick a certain surname - who knows. It could be from >>>> one of the families they lived with. It could be a surname of importance in >>>> the freguesia, so picking that well-known name might give them better >>>> opportunities. We just don't know their reasons. >>>> >>>> On Sao Miguel island, when referring to Faial da Terra they either >>>> write Faial da Terra or Faial. If they are talking about the island of >>>> Faial, they say ilha da Faial. Yep, the first time I saw that I was >>>> confused myself! >>>> >>>> Surnames are fluid. It takes a while to get used to this. Immigrants >>>> often dropped the de/da/do prefix to the surname. The double consonant were >>>> dropped in many words when the language was "modernized" in 1910/1911 or >>>> so. Here's a little article that Kathy Cardoza and I wrote on surnames. >>>> It's on the Azores GenWeb here: https://goo.gl/4aU6sP >>>> >>>> To go back a generation and finding the siblings of one of your >>>> grandparents (the one who has "pai incognito" may not have any other known >>>> siblings - at least from that mother) ... Yes, the hunt, just as you said. >>>> A few churches have indices. If you use Tombo.pt, he lists them for you, if >>>> they exist: >>>> [image: image.png] >>>> This church, Sao Miguel Arcanjo, in Vila Franca, has separate indices >>>> in addition to the baptisms, marriages, and deaths. They also have books of >>>> legitimizations - where the parent(s) come forward and say the baby is >>>> theirs. Sometimes, the legitimization is recorded in the margin too. Or >>>> quite often, just not recorded. >>>> >>>> Some priests may have put an index in the back of the book. Here's one >>>> from Ribeira das Tainhas: >>>> [image: image.png] >>>> >>>> Name, parents, record number, and page. Watch that "v." (Yeah, sorry, >>>> the priest in my freguesia wasn't so good at penmanship). The first record >>>> is #49 on page 21v, meaning 21 verso. In English, page 21 reverse. In >>>> normal thinking, turn to page 22 and look on the left. >>>> >>>> Anyways, collecting the siblings is a good thing. Once you find one >>>> though, you go 9 months forwards or backwards (depending on which way you >>>> are researching) and then start looking for another baby. You are stuck >>>> hunting for the parents only in the 3rd time period - that's where the >>>> record gives all that detail. Then you hit about 1860 (the 2nd time >>>> period). Working back in the 2nd time period it will say right on the first >>>> line, Jose, filho de Manuel da Silva and Maria da Souza. That part becomes >>>> much easier, but there are no grandparents. The 3 time periods, with what >>>> to expect in each record can be found again on the Azores GenWeb here: >>>> https://goo.gl/4Tzc2i >>>> >>>> Yes, DNA is bringing new people to our wonderful world of genealogy. So >>>> no, it wasn't silly. If you did not test with Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) , >>>> transfer your results there. If you did test with FTDNA, be sure to join >>>> the Azores DNA Project. I can email you the directions on these if you need >>>> them. gfscherim at gmail.com If your parents are alive or have any >>>> remaining siblings, DNA test them now. You will be glad you did. FTDNA as >>>> will as the other major companies will have a DNA sale at the end of the >>>> year. >>>> Good luck, Cheri Mello >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 9:51 AM Diane DeMelo <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cheri and Bill, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you so very much for helping decipher these records. I cannot >>>>> thank you enough. Thank you for clarifying my grandfather's birth year. My >>>>> brother-in-law thought it was 1897, I thought it looked like 1898 so >>>>> another set of eyes is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> My cousin has a very extensive family tree but there was missing >>>>> information about my father's side. I have incredible information about my >>>>> mother's maternal and paternal line going back generations and now having >>>>> more information about my father is satisifying. Having my sister get my >>>>> grandparents information on her recent trip to Sao Miguel has indeed been >>>>> fruitful as we were able to connect to people in his tree that had no >>>>> descendants or missing descendants recorded. I wish I was interested in >>>>> genealogy when my mother was alive. It took me to do a silly DNA test to >>>>> suddenly be interested. Ah, such is life. >>>>> >>>>> If I'm understanding the record about my grandfather's father - >>>>> information for his mother and father are missing/unknown parents. This is >>>>> interesting. I'm trying to figure out how he ended up with the name de >>>>> Resendes then. I wonder if his mother (the woman listed as Maria Pereira >>>>> de >>>>> Melo) died young and Violante raised him. Is that Faial the island or >>>>> Faial >>>>> da Terra? ON my cousin's family tree I see a Violante de Resendes (who had >>>>> a mother with de Medeiros and a father with de Resende --missing the s) >>>>> who >>>>> was born 1827 and died 1896. She and her husband (Jose Carreiro) were from >>>>> neighboring Agua Retorta. >>>>> >>>>> I figured with one of the records listing his mother as Maria Pereira >>>>> de Melo, she must have given the child either her mother or father's >>>>> surname. The surnames are so confusing. For examle, my father and all his >>>>> siblings got the surname of my grandmother Maria Lourdes de Melo and not >>>>> the father, Jose Pereira de Resendes. At some point the de got dropped and >>>>> the original double L in deMello was dropped to a single L. >>>>> >>>>> I have a question - how would I find the siblings of my grandfather >>>>> Jose or the children of his parents? I'm guessing one has to look through >>>>> all the possible years of birth and examine each record one at a time - >>>>> yes? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you all again. What a great community of support! >>>>> >>>>> Diane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 7:24:19 AM UTC-4, [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Whether its 1897 or 1898 (I agree with Cheri that it looks like 1898) >>>>>> I can't seem to find this baptism in Faial da Terra. >>>>>> >>>>>> I did find what may be the marriage of his parents: >>>>>> >>>>>> Faial da Terra, 16 Feb 1887 >>>>>> Groom: Jose Pereira de Resendes, 20 years old (would be age 53 or 54 >>>>>> in 1920) exposto baptized in Povoacao (Mae de Deus) and given to >>>>>> Violante de Medeiros of Faial to be raised. >>>>>> Bride: Emilia Guilhermina da Conceicao, 25 years old (would be age 58 >>>>>> or 59 in 1920), daughter of Jose da Costa and Maria Pacheco >>>>>> Names and ages are close (not exact) matches. The father has both >>>>>> parents unknown (exposto) instead of just an unknown father. >>>>>> >>>>>> Starts bottom left: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889_item1/P70.html* >>>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-C-1880-1889_item1/P70.html> >>>>>> Bill Seidler >>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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