i'm intrigued by this, and sense it's a great idea, brian, so forgive me for pressing for more detail? so, i think i see what you mean about a live TV or Radio stream being accessed at, for instance: http://live.bbc.co.uk/radio4 BTW, in your scenario, would that URL check which format of AV the requesting client wanted? (that's a bit that "media selector" currently does, methinks)... but now, leaving a live stream behind for the moment, what about URLs for individual programmes and their episodes... in your scenario, would there be a difference between: http://watch.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/3/42 & http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/3/42 ?? is one completely about AV assets and one more of a "normal" webpage? is there a reason why both should exist? couldn't the "normal" webpage link to the iPlayer asset, perhaps at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/3/42/watch <http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/3/42/watch> or from my Radio 3 example: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/breakfast/pip/jrjen/ <http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/breakfast/pip/jrjen/> (an episode of Breakfast) could link to its iPlayer asset at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/breakfast/pip/jrjen/listen am i still missing your point, tho, brian? best-- --cs
________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 11 July 2007 12:01 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Links to video/audio for specific shows Chris, Not really, as this is just a sensible directory structure. I'm meaning that http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_6610000/newsi d_6615400?redirect=6615433.stm&news=1&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1 is replaced by http://livetv.bbc.co.uk/bbcnews24 IMHO you would still need the "normal" bbc.co.uk pages, the links would be used ONLY for audio (listen.) or video (watch.) content and could be retained for a long time. On 11/07/07, Chris Sizemore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i very much agree with you... the way radio 3's website is set up kind of hints in this direction, no? http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/breakfast <http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/breakfast/pip/jrjen/> (programme index) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/breakfast/pip/jrjen/ (episode) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classicalcollection (programme index) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/classicalcollection/pip/6xmlt/ (episode) best-- --cs ________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of Brian Butterworth Sent: 11 July 2007 11:30 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Links to video/audio for specific shows Chris, I agree with your comments. It would be very useful for there to be a URL-based heiracy for accessing BBC programmes so they can be linked to, no matter what format they are in. For example, you could have URLs for live channel streams, viz: http://livetv.bbc.co.uk/bbcone http://livetv.bbc.co.uk/bbc2w And then for indivusual programmes something like this for indexes... http://watch.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho http://watch.bbc.co.uk/eastenders http://listen.bbc.co.uk/thenowshow and then individual programmes... http://watch.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/3/42 http://watch.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/12/4 In my reconing this could then have a iPlayer link, links to clips on YouTube, BBC streams or whatever. But it would allow the posting of the URL on systems such as Wikipedia and would allow programme links to be posted in Blogs etc. The page could also provide local schedule information for non-Internet transmission too, and could also include purchase information where required. On 11/07/07, Chris Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Are there any plans to add links to the audio and video files for specific shows in the BBC TV and Radio API? The data is clearly available, but the 'locations' section of the schedule API gives us channel URIs (multicast, dvb streams), rather than links to the actual content. Links to audio in the BBC Radio Player appeared for Hackday, but were promptly removed. The BBC iPlayer beta seems to use somewhat clean links to content, based on TV Anytime "Content Reference IDs" Ideally the BBC would maintain a set of permanent URLs for each programme and episode, which in turn reference a range of URIs where the audio and video can be found, now or in the future, whether via DVB various or Internet. This would be particularly helpful if content will change URL when it moves between the mooted BBC 'catch-up' window, commercial and archive services. To me, it all sounds a bit like the semantic web, although I'm no expert there. Of course, it would be relatively trivial to screen scrape this stuff and keep the links on a 3rd party site, but there are real advantages to the BBC providing and maintaining the data, I think? There's a downside for the BBC in providing these links - they help the audience to watch or listen to individual shows outside a context of BBC web pages, with no equivalent to the offline trail. Traditionalists could argue that this reduces the public value of the content, because there is less ability to point an East Enders viewer to Panorama etc etc. I'm hoping that the BBC approach recognises the public value to be gained from getting the content out there, even if they lose a few website visits. Is this the case? Chris -- Chris Jackson http://simsocast.com/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk <http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/> discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html . Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv <http://www.ukfree.tv/> -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth www.ukfree.tv
