Agreed about the quality. Since the service is not officially sanctioned they are going to have to do the encoding 'off-air'. And a 3-4Mbps MPEG2 feed is not a good starting point for doing further compression from. While I don't know what the channel formally known as News 24 does with their video streams, we encode our live video for BBC Arabic directly from a 270Mbps SDI feed of the network output. -- Gareth Davis | Production Systems Specialist World Service Future Media, Digital Delivery Team - Part of BBC Global News Division * http://www.bbcworldservice.com/ <http://www.bbcworldservice.com/> * 702NE Bush House, Strand, London, WC2B 4PH
________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Compston Sent: 13 May 2008 19:05 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels Moving away from the legal wrangles for a moment, I must say I'm not too impressed with the quality of their streams... Looking at my PC's network usage zattoo is using three times as much bandwith (admittedly some will be upstream) than the FLV stream of News 24 (sorry, News Channel) we're running tests on currently (beta stream coming to news.bbc.co.uk soonish), but actually looks worse - lots of blocking & buffering. My PC is rather old, but the connection's not too bad - getting around 5Mbps currently. Rich. On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The relevant part of the Copyrights and Patents Act 1988 (as Amended) is here: http://www.jenkins.eu/copyright-(statutes)(1)/part-1-copyright-.asp#s73 <http://www.jenkins.eu/copyright-%28statutes%29%281%29/part-1-copyright- .asp#s73> It all boils down to the definition of 'cable' and 're-transmission by cable'. Interestingly the Act does not say 're-broadcast' by cable, it doesn't say it has to be in a partciular format (DVB-S or analogue PAL, for example) and does not state that it has to be a 'broadcast' (many to one) just a 're-tranmission'. It also says that 'ee-transmission by cable include the transmission of microwave energy between terrestrial fixed points' which seems to cover wireless internet in my book... 2008/5/13 Robin Cramp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: From a user perspective viewing content in this way is great, it provides another source of viewing; more importantly online. I would think from a broadcaster perspective there is a sense of split view on the subject. Broadcasting the stations as is gives them an extra level of exposure, not to mention the advertisers too. Although from a content owner perspective there is the age old issues about copyright. I personally think that it will be the rights owners that will have the biggest say in whether Zattoo should continue in their current model, rather than the broadcasters pushing for change. ________________________________________ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 May 2008 14:35 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] Zattoo - live streaming BBC channels On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Brian Butterworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://zattoo.com/ > > http://informitv.com/articles/2008/05/09/zattooclaimscopyright/ > > "Zattoo, which is now offering live online streams of the leading British > terrestrial television channels, is claiming it has the right to do so under > the United Kingdom Copyright Act. Zattoo says it "operates strictly > legitimately on the basis of agreements with broadcasters and the copyright > law" but the British broadcasters say they have no agreements with the > streaming startup company. The law seems ambiguous at best." Interesting stuff. I can see how retransmission is a good thing but only through the right channels - i.e. if I were to provide content to the BBC or ITV, I would like it to be transmitted professionally and with a good level of quality. Any views on this? - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ -- Please email me back if you need any more help. Brian Butterworth http://www.ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002