Again, I'm not sure what your goal is in responding. I've been feeling
like we should be able to agree, or at least agree to disagree but for
some reason it seems like you are pushing towards something else.


On 5/10/06, Richard H. Gravelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Gilberto,
 What I would say is
that humans have *some* capacity for moral reasoning.


Richard
What ever capacities man may have have been created by God for His purposes.

Gilberto:
Ok. So why do you seem so hesitant and reluctant towards recognizing
the validity is this capacity?

Richard:
Why, if God has given man no guidance to
man on an issue, should man seek to investigate it?

Gilberto:
I don't think you can help it. As human beings in the world, we are
always confronted with different decisions. Not everything is neatly
covered by simple legal rules. There are times when we have to make
difficult decisions and it is not certain which way to go.


Gilberto
 So that just
means, that to some degree acts are intrinsically moral or immoral,
and we have some capacity to make that determination apart from
revelation.

Richard.
How is it that these "acts" have been invested with "intrinsic" value?
Would you say that "they just are"?  No power created them?  Would you posit
that these "intrinsic values" exist independent of and cannot be abrogated
by God?

I would go back to the original example. Even before Bahaullah freed
his slaves and banned slavery, morally sensitive people were already
thinking that there is something wrong with slavery. That suggests
something immoral in the institution, at least as it was practiced at
that period in time, which other people could recognize.

-G




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