Yep Jan and Martin TYPO3 went actually the bar camp approach already years ago - since 2002/03 (that's how the TYPO3 Community started) :-). As most of the good documentation was long time mainly in German it was quite difficult for others to understand and get along with it. Since the WEC has developed their packages in 2004 also the English TYPO3 community gets much bigger outside of Germany. Their are huge outsource "factories in Russia, Ukraine, Lituania, India and still a smaller one here in Phuket (but we are growing step by step) The problem in growth is thereby less the leads but more to find qualified programmers here in Phuket. Since we are now BOI certified this is getting much much easier as we don't rely anymore on nationalities - instead we can focus now only on qualification and results.
The Type of community is actually not so much different from what you have in other CMS but the way of communication is very different. A TYPO3 developer usually communicates over several mailing lists and we figured out that this is the fastest way to solve your current problems during a development with a large community of over 5000 active developers worldwide. Beside this they have User Groups with regular regional and national meetings, a yearly TYPO3 Conference in Germany and this year the first also in US, Developer days, T3University, T3Board(Snowboarding), T3Dive (Diving), T3Sail (Sailing in the Baltic Sea) and more. The T3 communities around Thailand are actually growing very fast. i.e. Cambodia, Vietnam, India, China. Here in Thailand - especially here in Phuket we still have the problem of qualified Thai people, as most of the students who finish here go to Bangkok! We hope to change this in the future as salaries grow faster here in Phuket and also Big Companies are interested to come here - let's hope that they will come :-) eZ-Publish is very different from the community of TYPO3 as a big company is behind this CMS and there is not really such an open and lively atmosphere like in TYPO3 or other CMS. On the other hand eZ gets used by more and more huge Media Publishers, Magazines like Vogue, TV-Companies, and News Papers. Their way of distributing their CMS is also more like the one from Magento-Enterprise than the one from Joomla. This makes eZ also quite expensive and exclusive but on the other hand very reliable and fast to deploy new sites. Another very important point what many clients don't realize at the beginning is the longterm support and updating mechanism. We get i.e. lots of former Joomla people which don't like to wait for new Template modifications after a Version upgrade. They want to do things by themselves with their own people also to keep costs down. Another argument was always the user management, as in TYPO3 you can specify very exactly which user or group is able to click, open, edit, write ... even a small item on a TYPO3 website. This is especially very important for organizations or governmental institutions or bigger companies i.e. like UNESCO Bangkok or East West Center .. Coming back to the community it is less depending on a CMS but more on the people itself. A community is build up by people and if people like a community it is getting bigger. As until now there isn't a steady TYPO3 Community here in Thailand it is difficult to argue about it. We will change it step by step and 13th/14th June we will have our next TYPO3 Training for Beginners here in Phuket at Software Park Phuket. Hopefully we will be able to present more TYPO3 on one of the next bar camps. @Jan you are partly right that if you send out security patches to your customers than those customers are happy and lucky but what about all the others which also use Joomla or Drupal Sites which haven't been created by you. In TYPO3 they have a security Team and they do regularly check for security problems and send out security reports immediately to all developers worldwide as soon a security problem has been discovered. Like yesterday there was in one extension a problem and hours later the patch was already in TER (TYPO3 Extension Repository) and with one click in the TYPO3 Back end even a NON Programmer with Admin access was able to update immediately to a secure system again. In other CMS it is mostly way more complicated to apply those patches and normally needs a programmer to do it, which costs time and money and also increases the amount of time until sites get patched. @ Martin This is also what we do usually but we also recommend customers a CMS solution. about 10% Joomla for those who want to have a standard easy website tomorrow at a very low price. about 5% Drupal for those who actually came to us and wanted a Drupal site, eZ about 10% but growing as we just started 60% is TYPO3 with TemplaVoila Templating and 5% TYPO3 with standard Templating and the rest is split to other CMS like Silverstripe or Typolight and and also Magento - and Presta getting more since Magento introduced the enterprise edition. The high number of TYPO3 websites is also due to the fact that I know TYPO3 best and can get much more leads in TYPO3 than in other CMS. But if you look for the prices eZ is TOP followed by TYPO3 and some Drupal site developments and than a bigger Gap to Joomla and Flash / HTML sites. But the higher price segment is also due to the fact that the people wanting a eZ or TYPO3 website have either used already Joomla or Drupal or heard about those CMS. They know that the plus on comfort is not for free but they are willing to invest in it. Unfortunately still Europe cuts of the biggest piece of cake due to the fact that we have not enough qualified people now - but hopefully we will have them soon and than can bring good leads to Thailand too. We heard last week a nice talk from a representative of BOI and he told us, that still more than 90% of work of Thai Developers is financed by Thai Projects INLAND - Only Animation was getting a bit more recognition internationally. This is one fact we need to change and why foreign investors until now invest outside of Thailand in surrounding countries more than inside! Ideas how to change this are welcome :-) I guess the first good step is i.e. your ThaiTemplate site - Andi Andi On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jan <[email protected]> wrote: > > that's true. and i would not want to rate a cms by how many security > patches get send out per year. > i developer care a lot and send out lots of improvements, why should > that be negative? > besides the technical things, i think most important in an open source > cms is the community. > that's why i like this study. it shows a lot of community response in > the different systems: > > http://www.waterandstone.com/open-source-cms-resources > > > > On 29 Mai, 11:51, martin <[email protected]> wrote: > > menn, > > > > thanks for the joomla link! > > > > andi, > > > > true, t3 and ez are cms that are very versatile, however their > > currently limited userbase not only is the reason why there was no > > template developed at bcbkk but also why there are less reported > > vulnerabilities (your link proves that as well ;)). > > as jan said, everyone would very much look forward to get a great > > theme released on t3 or ez, yet the extensability out of the box with > > contributed modules is also an issue why the three cms are currently > > in the lead. > > personally, i deploy whichever cms i believe makes sense for the > > particular task at hand. > > > > regards, > > > > martin > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Barcamp Thailand" group. 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