anyway, the market in thailand is large enough for all system, just needs to get explored.
On 29 Mai, 14:09, Sugree Phatanapherom <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry for missing many great CMS. The idea was proposed just a week before > barcamp and it was officially announced on May 21, 2009 > athttp://www.blognone.com/node/11729. All other CMS are always welcome but > it's our fault to just post in Thai. If there is something like this next > time, I will post here a bit early. > > I think @markpeak and @joomlacorner is trying to form CMS community in > Thailand to promote the use of CMS. If we have some progress, I will keep > you update. > > The drupal theme we made in showdown will be available for download soon. I > am very busy clearing expenses after the camp. > > sugree > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Andreas Becker <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yep Jan and Martin > > TYPO3 went actually the bar camp approach already years ago - since 2002/03 > > (that's how the TYPO3 Community started) :-). As most of the good > > documentation was long time mainly in German it was quite difficult for > > others to understand and get along with it. Since the WEC has developed > > their packages in 2004 also the English TYPO3 community gets much bigger > > outside of Germany. Their are huge outsource "factories in Russia, Ukraine, > > Lituania, India and still a smaller one here in Phuket (but we are growing > > step by step) The problem in growth is thereby less the leads but more to > > find qualified programmers here in Phuket. Since we are now BOI certified > > this is getting much much easier as we don't rely anymore on nationalities - > > instead we can focus now only on qualification and results. > > > The Type of community is actually not so much different from what you have > > in other CMS but the way of communication is very different. A TYPO3 > > developer usually communicates over several mailing lists and we figured out > > that this is the fastest way to solve your current problems during a > > development with a large community of over 5000 active developers worldwide. > > > Beside this they have User Groups with regular regional and national > > meetings, a yearly TYPO3 Conference in Germany and this year the first also > > in US, Developer days, T3University, T3Board(Snowboarding), T3Dive (Diving), > > T3Sail (Sailing in the Baltic Sea) and more. > > > The T3 communities around Thailand are actually growing very fast. i.e. > > Cambodia, Vietnam, India, China. Here in Thailand - especially here in > > Phuket we still have the problem of qualified Thai people, as most of the > > students who finish here go to Bangkok! We hope to change this in the future > > as salaries grow faster here in Phuket and also Big Companies are interested > > to come here - let's hope that they will come :-) > > > eZ-Publish is very different from the community of TYPO3 as a big company > > is behind this CMS and there is not really such an open and lively > > atmosphere like in TYPO3 or other CMS. On the other hand eZ gets used by > > more and more huge Media Publishers, Magazines like Vogue, TV-Companies, and > > News Papers. Their way of distributing their CMS is also more like the one > > from Magento-Enterprise than the one from Joomla. This makes eZ also quite > > expensive and exclusive but on the other hand very reliable and fast to > > deploy new sites. > > > Another very important point what many clients don't realize at the > > beginning is the longterm support and updating mechanism. We get i.e. lots > > of former Joomla people which don't like to wait for new Template > > modifications after a Version upgrade. They want to do things by themselves > > with their own people also to keep costs down. Another argument was always > > the user management, as in TYPO3 you can specify very exactly which user or > > group is able to click, open, edit, write ... even a small item on a TYPO3 > > website. This is especially very important for organizations or governmental > > institutions or bigger companies i.e. like UNESCO Bangkok or East West > > Center .. > > > Coming back to the community it is less depending on a CMS but more on the > > people itself. A community is build up by people and if people like a > > community it is getting bigger. As until now there isn't a steady TYPO3 > > Community here in Thailand it is difficult to argue about it. > > > We will change it step by step and 13th/14th June we will have our next > > TYPO3 Training for Beginners here in Phuket at Software Park Phuket. > > Hopefully we will be able to present more TYPO3 on one of the next bar > > camps. > > > @Jan > > you are partly right that if you send out security patches to your > > customers than those customers are happy and lucky but what about all the > > others which also use Joomla or Drupal Sites which haven't been created by > > you. > > > In TYPO3 they have a security Team and they do regularly check > > for security problems and send out security reports immediately to all > > developers worldwide as soon a security problem has been discovered. Like > > yesterday there was in one extension a problem and hours later the patch was > > already in TER (TYPO3 Extension Repository) and with one click in the > > TYPO3 Back end even a NON Programmer with Admin access was able to update > > immediately to a secure system again. In other CMS it is mostly way more > > complicated to apply those patches and normally needs a programmer to do it, > > which costs time and money and also increases the amount of time until sites > > get patched. > > > @ Martin > > This is also what we do usually but we also recommend customers a CMS > > solution. about 10% Joomla for those who want to have a standard easy > > website tomorrow at a very low price. about 5% Drupal for those who actually > > came to us and wanted a Drupal site, eZ about 10% but growing as we just > > started 60% is TYPO3 with TemplaVoila Templating and 5% TYPO3 with standard > > Templating and the rest is split to other CMS like Silverstripe or Typolight > > and and also Magento - and Presta getting more since Magento introduced the > > enterprise edition. > > > The high number of TYPO3 websites is also due to the fact that I know TYPO3 > > best and can get much more leads in TYPO3 than in other CMS. But if you look > > for the prices eZ is TOP followed by TYPO3 and some Drupal site developments > > and than a bigger Gap to Joomla and Flash / HTML sites. But the higher price > > segment is also due to the fact that the people wanting a eZ or TYPO3 > > website have either used already Joomla or Drupal or heard about those CMS. > > They know that the plus on comfort is not for free but they are willing to > > invest in it. Unfortunately still Europe cuts of the biggest piece of cake > > due to the fact that we have not enough qualified people now - but hopefully > > we will have them soon and than can bring good leads to Thailand too. > > > We heard last week a nice talk from a representative of BOI and he told us, > > that still more than 90% of work of Thai Developers is financed by Thai > > Projects INLAND - Only Animation was getting a bit more recognition > > internationally. This is one fact we need to change and why foreign > > investors until now invest outside of Thailand in surrounding countries more > > than inside! Ideas how to change this are welcome :-) > > > I guess the first good step is i.e. your ThaiTemplate site - > > > Andi > > > Andi > > > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Jan <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> that's true. and i would not want to rate a cms by how many security > >> patches get send out per year. > >> i developer care a lot and send out lots of improvements, why should > >> that be negative? > >> besides the technical things, i think most important in an open source > >> cms is the community. > >> that's why i like this study. it shows a lot of community response in > >> the different systems: > > >>http://www.waterandstone.com/open-source-cms-resources > > >> On 29 Mai, 11:51, martin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > menn, > > >> > thanks for the joomla link! > > >> > andi, > > >> > true, t3 and ez are cms that are very versatile, however their > >> > currently limited userbase not only is the reason why there was no > >> > template developed at bcbkk but also why there are less reported > >> > vulnerabilities (your link proves that as well ;)). > >> > as jan said, everyone would very much look forward to get a great > >> > theme released on t3 or ez, yet the extensability out of the box with > >> > contributed modules is also an issue why the three cms are currently > >> > in the lead. > >> > personally, i deploy whichever cms i believe makes sense for the > >> > particular task at hand. > > >> > regards, > > >> > martin --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Barcamp Thailand" group. 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