Here is a post I just sent to the Oxyplus email list which is also apropos to this discussion:
You are all describing much the same thing from different viewpoints. I am particular fond of Nina's description [see below] which uses concepts of frequency medicine to describe how we set up resonances which attract the things we belive strongly in. I would like to add to what Nina wrote.
It is very important here to make the distinction between wanting pain and choosing pain. When I drop a glass of water and then cut myself while picking up the pieces of glass I would not say that I wanted to cut myself but I would say that the cut was clearly a consequence of my choice to pick up the glass with my bare fingers. A smoker may continue to smoke despite the knowledge that smoking often has lung disease as a consequence. I would not say that the smoker wants lung cancer but if lung cancer happened to the smoker it would be clear that his or her actions brought about favorable conditions for lung cancer.
Every worldview that I know of has several sayings which express this. In the Christian worldview we have statements like:
"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."
"Judge not lest you be judged."
In the scientific world view we have:
"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."
In the modern business worldview there is:
"What goes around comes around."
"You get what you pay for."
Hindu's speak of the law of karma; Buddhists say the cause of suffering is addiction.
Nina used the term "resonance". I really like this term too.
Imagine that you have two dinner bells hanging on your front porch. One bell is the love bell and the other bell is the fear bell. The love bell is tuned to the frequency of love and every harmonic of love. The fear bell is tuned to fear and the harmonics of fear.
Some of the harmonics of love are abundance, happiness, connection, knowledge, synchronicity, prayer and community. Some of the harmonics of fear are hatred, anger, disaster, pain, judgement and violence.
Each of these bells calls those things which resonate with it in for dinner. When we ring the love bell we call in those things which resonate with love. When we ring the fear bell we call those things which resonate with fear to dinner. Each of us has the power to see which bell we spend the most time with. What has come to dinner is a clue to which bell we spend our time ringing. This clue; this knowledge gives us the personal power to change unpleasant conditions in our own lives. If we were helpless victims of circumstances beyond our control then we would not have the power to change our circumstances of our lives.
Pain can inform and improve our decisions. When I jumped off the swing as a child the pain of landing taught me not to jump from a second story balcony.
The structures around us want us to depend on them. Corporate medicine encourages our dependence. Corporate agriculture does the same. We can all think of examples of this from this forum. If a structure becomes our sole source of supply for something we need, we will tend to support that structure despite other things it does that we don't like.
When we have given a structure such power over us, that structure will encourage our belief that we are helpless victims of circumstances beyond our control so that they can sell us a method of limited control at a price. If I do not believe that my health is under my control then I will buy health insurance to insure some modicum of control over my health.
Dr. Emoto has published pictures of the structural changes that prayer makes in ice crystals.
Stephen has described some of the ways he has used to increase his love resonance and these are effective techniques. There are many more techniques to do this. These techniques are described in almost every world religion and worldview.
We all know that there is a psychological component to disease. We have all heard stories of people who have overcome their conditions through determination and compassion despite an overwhelmingly negative prognosis.
Science and scientists are coming to the realization that all things are connected. Some call this connection the "zero point field", some call it the "implicate order" others call it the "morphogenic field" and still others call it "quantum coherence" or "quantum non-local interaction". This field appears to connect us all. Resonances are propagated through this field. Some of the recent scientific research in this area is described in Lynne McTaggart's latest book titled "The Field". You can read more about this area of research in an article that I recently wrote at:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/review.htm
I tend to think of the resonances of love and fear as a river and a dam. As long as the love is flowing all that it carries is well distributed. When the flow is "damned" up by fear all the crap accumulates in the reservoir behind the dam and clogs up the works. We don't want to blow out the dam because this will flood and pollute everything downstream. Instead we want to build a channel around the dam and increase the flow of love in a less explosive way.
Structures are not alive. The only life they have is what we give them. Structures control us through fear. When our love is dammed up by fear the structure of the dam can extract power from the pent up love and sell it back to us at a price. If we are afraid of running out of gas we will not oppose efforts to take petroleum from someone who is weaker by force. When love is flowing freely there is no place for fear go gain a foothold.
In my worldview there are three components to any effective healing program. First, improve communication in the body. Second, administer a healing resonance and third be sure that one's beliefs and desires do not set up a dam to the propagation and flow of that resonance.
At 07:01 PM 10/31/2002, you wrote:
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Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 4:57 AM
Subject: [oxyplus] no victims
> Oh here we go again. There are no victims. Little girls and boys want to be
molested. Children in Africa want to be starving orphans, women in East India
want to have acid thrown on them or be burned alive by their husbands, all the
Jews wanted to die in torturous ways and watch their children starve.
>
> We all really want bad politics in the US and we all really want to have
people we love die of horrible diseases.
>
> The reality is that evil exists and there are victims and not everyone who is
sick wants to be.
>
> Donna
Donna,
This is an important topic and I would like to respond to your excellent points
on-list -- but as concisely as possible, out of respect for our moderator ;)
First, I want you to know that I have been a social/political activist for many
years, and that in my work as a counselor through the years I have dealt with
many people who experienced awful, serious abuse. I have had only compassion for
these people. They knew that, which is why such a high percentage of people in
my practice had that type of history.
It might also interest you to know that when people used to tell me things like
"You create your own reality," and "You attracted that to yourself," I felt very
angry, hurt and hostile. I thought that the people who told me this were
condoning horrible acts. In retrospect, I can see that they were not necessarily
*condoning* the acts -- but the way they spoke to me, it certainly seemed that
at least part of the time, they were blaming me -- blaming the victim.
Blaming the victim is a common psychological ploy to take the onus off the
person who is behaving in a harmful way. Blaming the victim allows the
perpetrator to continue the abusive behavior. The act of blaming the victim also
occurs when the person who is witnessing the harm being perpretated (on someone
else) finds it morally and emotionally hard to watch or hear. There's nothing
the witness can do to stop the abuse, so s/he blames the victim for "allowing"
the abuse to happen. This is not rational, it doesn't help the victim, and it's
unfair to the victim, but this type of response does happen. It's a coping
mechanism on the part of the witness, and the victim bears the brunt of the
witness's frustration and helplessness. For either scenario -- whether it's
blaming the victim to allow the perpetrator to continue, or blaming the victim
because the witness cannot contain the horror of the behavior -- the victim
certainly does get the short end of the stick.
Now...having said all this, I want you to know that there is another reality
here that's operating -- not the physical reality of starving orphans or
molested children or tortured Jews -- but the METAphysical reality of forces of
attraction and forces of repellency. I can't speak for what Stephen means when
he indicates that there are no victims, but I know what *I* mean when I speak of
the victim/victimizer mentality. AT NO POINT, EVER, DO I CONDONE HARMFUL,
DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIOR. Any treatment of another human being -- or plant, animal
or mineral -- that does not recognize the Divine spark in them means that the
perpetrator himself or herself has lost his or her own Divine connection. We are
all from the same Source. If I bully, rape, or murder you, what does that say
about me?
But to continue: there is a certain ENERGY, a *frequency* BEHIND the
victim/victimizer mentality. People involved in holistic health, particularly
electro-medicine, understand about frequency. Those familiar with Rife
technology know that the number of cycles per second at which a pathogen
vibrates is key to how the technology works. When the microbe's mortal
oscillatory rate is matched -- the frequencies emitted via either a light tube
or electrodes -- the microbe becomes debilitated and eventually dies (or
shatters on the spot). Electronic diagnosing such as electrodermal screening
(with equipment invented by Voll, etc.) measures the radiation of the FREQUENCY
from the various meridians, organs and glands of the body. Homeopathy also works
via FREQUENCY. It's too long a topic here to explore in depth (and I describe
some neat experiments in Chapter 6 of my Rife Handbook), but at the finer levels
of reality, all of life is FREQUENCY.
Perhaps you have had the experience of being in a room and brightening up when
someone walked through the door. That person was emitting positive energy --
literally, of a high vibration. Similarly, someone with negative energy walking
through that door brings other people down. These emotional states really do
correspond to FREQUENCY. Just as a vibrating tuning fork next to another, still
one can cause the second fork to vibrate; just as a healer can emit certain
wavelengths through his/her hands and cause a corresponding oscillation in the
body cells of the person who is being healed; and just as a magnetic field from
a plain magnet to the more sophisticated Dotto Ring can entrain the body's own
magnetic properties, for better or worse -- so can people do it, to, for, and
with each other.
As so many scientists have demonstrated, thoughts consist of energy. Now let's
get back directly to the victim/victimizer mentality discussion.
What you call "evil" is defined, energetically speaking, by a certain set of
frequencies and oscillations. (And by the way, I do believe in "evil," if you
are defining "evil" as that which is "not-love" -- not compassion, not
cooperation, not expansion. Evil is contraction. On an emotional level, evil is
fear-based.) Love, too, is a FREQUENCY, a frequency of expansion. It too is
defined by its own oscillations. (Dr. Glen Rein's experiments with scalar waves,
which resulted in certain exercises now taught by the HeartMath Institute, show
this. This is also in my book.) Interestingly, the oscillations of evil are
chaotic, and the oscillations of love are coherent.
People who vibrate at the resonance of love attract love. People who vibrate at
the resonance of not-love, or the resonance of fear, attract not-love and fear.
Now, what about a baby who is born in a starving African nation? Is it the
baby's FAULT for not having anything to eat? No. Is that infant vibrating at a
certain RESONANCE? Probably, since that resonance is all around that infant. The
infant is learning the resonance of starvation at a very early age. And it will
continue to resonate at a poverty level -- be that poverty level expressed by a
lack of food, lack of money, or lack of love -- until it gets out of that
resonance range.
So I would certainly send aid to that country (if I could) so the infant might
get something to eat. However, when that infant grows up to maturity, when that
infant is old enough to understand about RESPONSIBILITY (as opposed to *blame*),
I would say to him/her: "You might want to learn about the powers of attraction,
so you can attract into your life what you want that makes you happy." This is
an over-simplification, but I hope it gets the point across.
The same principle applies, say, to a woman who is raped. I would never condone
a rapist's behavior (if you look at my website you'll see many of my published
articles on feminism) -- but we need to ask what level of *resonance* the woman
was vibrating at. Did she learn to be a sex object from her family? Her culture?
How much of those values (again, everything is *resonanace*) did she take in? Is
she responsible for the rapist's behavior? Not in the slightest. The rapist
violated her, and should be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Is she
responsible for clearing her own energy field? Yes...IF she wants to be a
sovereign, self-empowered magnificent human. You may have heard stories about
people whose presence and poise seem to afford them certain privileges or safety
that other people don't enjoy. This is a matter of FREQUENCY.
The dominant, martial culture on our planet (that usurped many of our Native
cultures) has done everthing possible to dumb us humans down and convince us
that we are powerless. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The spiritual
practice that I follow teaches the physics and the practical mechanics of
frequency, and how to once again access some of the ancient teachings that
humanity lost and forgot. Frequencies are very real. Changing one's frequencies
changes one's DNA. It changes other people's DNA. It changes the emotions, the
moods, and even the behavior of those around us. THIS is what is meant by
spiritual empowerment.
One of the basic psychological tenets I was taught is that there are always two
sides to a relationship equation. If you're victimizing me, aren't I doing
something to MATCH your victimizing behavior? Please note that I said "match,"
NOT "cause." I may not be CAUSING you to be abusive, but in some way I am
*accepting* your abuse -- even if it's not conscious, but simply a matter of
RESONANCE. Victims have much more power than they give themselves credit for.
Their power lies in their EMANATIONS, in the FREQUENCIES they emit. If you (I
use "you" generically here) can learn how to harness what you emit, you can
change your reality.
Changing your reality because you change your vibratory rates doesn't mean
suddenly saying "Hey, now that I've changed my vibes, it's okay to plunder and
murder and do horrible things! Bring out the big guns, people!" Behaving in ways
that are disrespectful to life is NOT okay. It will never be okay, because
God-Source is love and hurting others is NOT loving. But, once we realize that
we do have the means to change our reality, we can get out of the
victim/victimizer game.
I hope I've made myself clear. This is quite a huge topic, and this little note
is the best I can do for the moment. For those who have asked me for specific
spiritual techniques I mentioned in my last email, please give me another day
and I'll reply to all of you.
Thanking you all for the opportunity to share,
Nina
Nina Silver, Ph.D.
Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing*
Read excerpts from, and order the book at
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