Dear James, Your words do not fall on deaf ears. I'd agree that John Pannan would be very concerned about people buying instruments from him and then not using them.
He ought to be part of this discussion I think, So I want to forward this letter of yours and some of the other stuff to him. One in ten was a figure I pulled out of the air and Gil gave me some assent that he thought people got instruments and then found themselves at a loss to properly use them. I've read Gil's explanation, and for the most part I'd agree, particularly about the accuracy of dowsing and the degree of self-mastery accurate dowsing implies. I don't know of any way one can learn this easily. Some are already that far along in mastering self that their dowsing is quite accurate. Some, like my colleague, Lorraine, are constantly refining and focusing their intent that it may be pure and their answers be the truth, regardless of self. My sense was that we ought to all be on the same page about what is needed, and I don't see how that can happen without an open discussion. Though I don't imagine we need to go off in any single direction so much as we need to see where our common ground lies and get a better sense of interaction. What I was imagining was a workshop where everyone showed up with their instrument(s) of whatever type(s) and their farm map/photo, fields, crops, livestock, problems. What if we share with each other--go through doing the actual analysis/treatments per crop, weed, insect, fertility schema, etc. ? This way we do very real things that matter very much to us just as we would in real-life scenarios as this would be just what it would be. It would also allow us to evaluate various methods and see what comparisons we find between various instruments and methods of working. I'd welcome feedback to this. It is clear from your post, James, that there are a lot of folks out there with equipment and skills that they are using successfully. What can they contribute to each other and what do they need? I sense an eagerness, laid back as it may be, but still really eagre on the part of John Pannan, Peter Reuhmkorff, myself and many others that this needs to catch on and spread. Whatever is necessary, that's where I'm at. I didn't have the sense that coming home from Albury the work necessary to bring gentle rains to those burned/devastated slopes would be continued. Am I wrong there? Is the broadcasting of all of the preps in a morning/evening tandem treatment still going on there today? As for Gil's apprehension about various and sundry mucking about "making rain" in the Murray-Darling in an uncoordinated and ill considered fashion? I hope everyone takes notice of this, that EVERY treatment in my workshops was based in the written intent: "If it be Thy will, let the powers of nature converge to bring in beneficial energies, and to transform any detrimental energies into beneficial ones within the boundaries as marked for now and in the future for as long as is appropriate." Hopefully that should provide the leeway needed by all. That really says a lot, but to get a better idea of what was intended, I'd suggest Joey Korn's book and his web site www.dowsers.com I'd be including David von Pein and Des Whatley in on this discussion but I don't have their e-mail. Anyone help with this? And who else is being left out that isn't on BDnow? Best, Hugh >Dear Lloyd, Hugh, Gil and everybody, >I query the arbitrary figure of 10:1 of unused radionic instruments. That >may be so with some people who have graduated through several instruments, >however I don't agree that as a general rule this would be correct. I am >sure that John Pannan would be horrified if you told him that only 1 in 10 >radionic instruments that were sold by him were not used >If this assumption is the basis of you running a series of workshops in >Australia I suspect that you may wind up with egg on the face because the >market has been wrongly read. Maybe a survey from a complete mail out from >BACA database would confirm whether the figures are correct. >My estimate is that the figure may be closer to 1 to 2% based on attendances >at workshops where someone has asked how to use a certain radionic >instrument which they are having trouble using. >Most people graduate from dowsing to radionics and I don't see that too many >people would buy a radionic instrument just on spec. They mostly attend a >workshop where they are introduced to the concept of radionics, go home and >think about it and then maybe buy an instrument. >My guess is that those who attended the last series of workshops are the >basis of the next series of workshops. >The secret of the next workshops is going to be "what would those who >attended want to learn that would induce them to attend another series"? >Lloyd has intimated that he would be prepared to host a regional dowsing >workshop somewhere in his area, I already run dowsing and radionic workshops >which if anyone is interested in attending contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] to >discuss it. >Kind regards >James Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:57:36 +1030 From: Gil Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose? Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Hugh. Lloyd and James. On the information circulating in Radionic Circles, the figure of some where around the area of ten idyll instruments for every one in use, would be close to the mark. One of the reasons for this is that Radionic Instruments are very specialized beasties. There is no such thing as a universal instrument and it is very easy to buy an instrument quite un-suited to your intended use. This quickly leads to discouragement, unless there is some form of ongoing support. This is seldom available from instrument builders, who quickly loose interest once the cheque has been cashed. I say this in general terms, not aimed at any specific type of instrument. The other problem is the would be Radionic Practitioner. While I believe it is possible teach nearly anyone to dowse, I believe that only a small percentage will attain a worthwhile level of accuracy without a considerable amount of practice. This, for most, is at least many tens of hours over at least weeks and more likely months, rather than some tens of minutes over a weekend workshop. As the Radionic Process is largely a mental process of the Practitioner, the Practitioner must be confident in their dowsing as well as very accurate. The moment we allow self doubt to enter our mental process, we blow the result. Obviously the quality of the resulting Radionic process can be no better than the dowsing that is part of it. I have a file of close to an inch thick of letters from people wanting quick fix tuition in strange and obscure instruments or to learn the most basic information about them. Others want to sell these treasures and for reasons I do not understand, expect to get their purchase price back, even when they have demonstrated the beastie will not do as they wish it would. Anyone with lots of money to waste, I could direct you to lots unused and mainly unusable instruments. A lot of these are "improved" instruments. By that I mean they are not built by or at least designed by an established practitioner. For reasons unknown to me, there are gadget builders, who without learning Radionics, pull an instrument or three apart and then start building "improvements". The practitioner must also be totally "together". Anyone going through personal drama, major ill health, using some types of prescription drugs or affected by recreationals, should refrain from working in these sort of areas until they have their life together again. I believe that Hugh can best be utilized to impart his advanced knowledge and ongoing research. He is a very busy man and it is a sacrifice on his part to travel to the antipodes. I do not think that access to his workshops should be limited to those have the knowledge to put his work into practice, but that provision should be made to provide what ever level of training required by his students. For some it will be a bit of hand holding while they gain confidence in Dowsing. Others will need help to build and position Field Broadcasters or have this done for them. Still others, a small proportion, will see the potential of Radionics and want to study it in depth. I would like to think there would also be a small number who are on top of all this and interested in research. Some of the areas needing exploration are Broadcasters to cover larger areas, such as whole cattle stations, and the specialised needs of our particular soils and very arid climate. Like BD, much of the earlier work was done in quite different soil and climate. It would also be good to have some level of communication of people dabbling in Radionics in a particular bioregion, to avoid the wide broadcast of conflicting or competing energies. Once we go beyond our own boundary we need to consider all within the target area. I get really concerned about the prospect of more than one person deciding to flush the Murray Darling River system and starting in an unco-ordinated manner at different parts of the system and bringing about sizable falls that later meet in narrow parts of the system.... I also think it would be a good idea if as many attendees as possible be offered dowsing tuition, before the workshops, hopefully some time beforehand to allow practice. If they have got a handle on that, it is pretty easy for Hugh or who ever to convert them to the exact method he prefers on the day. Gil James Hedley wrote: >Dear Lloyd, Hugh, Gil and everybody, >I query the arbitrary figure of 10:1 of unused radionic instruments. That >may be so with some people who have graduated through several instruments, >however I don't agree that as a general rule this would be correct. I am >sure that John Pannan would be horrified if you told him that only 1 in 10 >radionic instruments that were sold by him were not used >If this assumption is the basis of you running a series of workshops in > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hugh Lovel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gil Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 6:09 PM >Subject: Re: Austr. Workshop/ Was there a higher purpose? > > >> Dear Lloyd, >> >> I know I'm a bit slow responding, but I DO really want to do this. I've >> bounced this off both Gil Robertson and Phil Wheeler and they both >estimate >> there must be somewhere 10 radionic instruments in people's closets in >> Australia for every one that is in use. That is a serious shortcoming >> looking for a solution. I'd like to see all those instruments put to use, >> and how do we get there? David von Pein and Des Whatley want me up in >> Queensland in August after the IQOC (Inaugeral Queensland Organic >> Conference) which I am committed to as a speaker. I don't have their >e-mail >> addresses, though you may have. >> >> Cheryl is saying something about the annual meeting of the BD Association >> down in NSW (perhaps in Albury) somewhere during that time period from mid >> July to mid August. I'd like to coordinate dates with her, though I >realize >> she will have her hands full with that gala event. >> >> Best, >> Hugh >> >> Hugh wrote> >> > Right now Im faced with a conumdrum. At Albury folks were presented with >a >> > procedure in its full-blown oiperation using both card instruments and >> dial >> > instruments. They saw the treatments get set up and turned on and maybe >> > they saw when they were turned off >> > >> > That's the shape those who attended Aulbury and the other workshops are >> > presently in. They saw the operation, but now they need a couple of days >> > real hands on with coaching to be able to go home and do this work. And >> > there's several stages where they need coaching. >> > Probably the dowsing is >> > the most critical as almost anyone can turn a dial and select a card or >> > remedy. The dowsing, of course, will take time to build up confidence >and >> > accuracy. But a lot of them need to get some real hands-on practice with >a >> > coach first. >> > >> > That's the need--to give some real hands-on coaching, practical stuff >> where >> > everyone brings an instrument and we pair off and practice. I'll see >what >> I >> > can do about coming up with a set of exercises. Lorraine Cahill, who >works >> > with me here at UAI, would be good at this. It doesn't matter too much >> what >> > kind of instrument, we can work with it. >> > >> >Dear Hugh >> > Maybe we could get some local groups going with this. >If >> >Lorraine could work up a set of excercises so we're all going in the same >> >direction, we should be able to yard up some coaches to take groups of >say >> >twenty and just work on the dowsing side - its mainly a practice and >> >confidence thing - questioning technique is a problem for a lot of people >> >too. I feel confident enough with my pendulum to take a group and I'm >sure >> >we could find others to do so in the other regions but I think this needs >> >some direction. >> >When you come out in July/August how much time will you have available >for >> >possibly running smaller regional workshops? >> >Cheers >> >Lloyd Charles >> >> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org >> >> Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
