I'd like to try using the DBI interface for database access, but when I downloaded it from ActiveState, I fount that I had to have a make utility to get it installed. Does anyone know of a free make distribution for Win32 environments? It HAS to come in a compiled version, because right now I don't have a C or C++ compiler, and for various reasons I can't install one at this time. ___________________________________________ Kristopher Cook (mailto:\\[EMAIL PROTECTED]) e-Commerce Director Galyan's Trading Company (317) 532-0200 x239 (317) 532-0258 (fax)