This thread is closed, my statement follows. On Jan 03, 2002 at 10:51 -0500, Graham Gudgin took the soap box and proclaimed: : The reason I was first attracted to this list was because of an article, : announcing its launch (and that of the perl beginners list), in which the : general theme was that for too long, newcomers to Perl had been subjected : to "RTFM" in response to pleas for help. The lists were being set up to : provide a friendly and inviting atmosphere in which to get and give help. : : In fact, in the FAQ for this list we have: : [ snipped relevent FAQ entries ] : : I find it disturbing to see these guidelines being ignored by people who : should know better - people who have a lot of respect within the Perl : community. Such messages as (excerpted): : [ snipped sited excerpts ] : : This kind of "ill-tempered" response does this list (nor the respondent) no : favors at all.
The posts that you have brought up do have an ill-tempered undertone. Understandably, they come from a person who tries very hard to push against certain ideals that, for what ever reason, have been deemed OK. The poster is no doubt tired and frustrated after all these years. While we, as an understanding community, should take that into concideration, we also don't enjoy ill-tempered messages. Do I think the unnamed poster should use that particular tone? No, I don't. However, I would like to make it known that the two posts to which you refer do have good information in them. The poster is trying to bring that information to light in order to help the beginners grow to be better Perl programmers in the long run. I would also like to adress this message. The poster to whom you refer had copied me on some of those messages that he felt may get such a reaction. I am honored by his approach, it was private and respectful. I would like us to all consider this approach when feeling like someone has violated the rules of this community. Speak to them personally, off the list. Humbly explain why you feel how you do. If that does not work, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and explain your situation there. If, even after that, there is still a problem, I asure you that beginners-workers folks will take care of it. Please trust the system, potential flame bait (whether intentional or not) is not a good thing either. Casey West -- Shooting yourself in the foot with BASIC (interpreted) You shoot yourself in the foot with a water pistol until your leg is waterlogged and rots off. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
