Brian Mink said: "I've noticed that most west coast cities that allow electric 
bikes do have rules that include behaving in regard to maximum speed, passing, 
remaining non aggressive and the like. Should Madison have such rules and post 
them? Probably."

Madison already has rules, and does post them. They are on all the wayfinding 
signs along bike paths all around town, and among those rules is this one:
"Faster {path] users yield to slower users"

Which gets to the crux of the issue - how someone operates their vehicle is 
often as important (or more important) to the safety of others than exactly 
what kind of vehicle it is.



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From: Bikies [mailto:bikies-boun...@lists.danenet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Mink 
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Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [Bikies] NYTimes/Gretchen Reynolds: The Surprising Health Benefits 
of an Electric Bike

I happen to know folks who due to one arthritic malady or less than optimal 
joint replacement surgery have opted for electric assist bikes or wheels with 
hub motors.

I also have taken note of many more cyclists of larger habitus using electric 
assist bikes. Then there are a whole bunch or cargo/kid hauler electric assist 
bikes on trails around town.

I think they are a good thing. Most of us able bodied, hard core enthusiasts 
will put off or scorn the thought of using electric assist. Let's assume that 
most folks who use electric assist do so based on some need that we probably 
don't know about. Many work places don't have showers. Electric assist one 
could image, can keep one below the gushing sweat threshold on the morning 
commute.

I've noticed that most west coast cities that allow electric bikes do have 
rules that include behaving in regard to maximum speed, passing, remaining non 
aggressive and the like. Should Madison have such rules and post them? Probably.

Bottom line is: even the heartiest of urban cyclists might age into the need 
for an electric assist bicycle at some point and then we'll look back on our 
years of scorn and finally come to the conclusion that we were not being 
understanding, nice or fair.

Brian Mink
Monona


via Bikies<mailto:bikies@lists.danenet.org>
July 8, 2016 at 9:45 AM

If that what it takes to get these sedentary brutes onto a bike, then let

them ride their electric bikes on roads and not on bike paths.

....

Admittedly, my n is pretty small, but I resent these lazy assholes being

on the bike paths.  And it's bogus to say these are for sedentary folks.

 > By far, the most people who use them will be former bicyclists.



I personally could not see myself wanting one. (Years ago I tried one when

someone from MGE was demo-ing one at some event and I wasn't impressed.)

But I also don't get all the hostility about them. I don't see how

discourteous/unsafe passing is any more or less obnoxious by someone on an

electric-assist bike than it is by someone on a traditional bike who

thinks he's doing Tour de France.  A moron on an electric-assist bike is

not inherently worse or more dangerous than a moron in Spandex<tm>.



As for the opinion that most people using them will be former bicyclists,

so what?  If it helps keep on a bike someone who has diminished physical

capability, what's wrong with that?



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