Perhaps a BIP 3 is in order, but most of the real issue is simply a matter of volunteer time.

AJ's attempt to conflate that with his own personal disagreements with how BIPs have always worked, is unrelated.

Luke


On 1/17/24 01:55, Christopher Allen via bitcoin-dev wrote:


On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 6:43 PM Anthony Towns via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

    If people want to use it for bitcoin-related proposals that don't have
    anything to do with inquisition, that's fine; I'm intending to
    apply the
    policies I think the BIPs repo should be using, so feel free to
    open a PR,
    even if you already know I think your idea is BS on its merits. If
    someone
    wants to write an automatic-merge-bot for me, that'd also be great.

    If someone wants to reform the BIPs repo itself so it works better,
    that'd be even better, but I'm not volunteering for that fight.


I've no idea how to reform BIPs, but we have a similar problem with the Blockchain Commons Research (BCR) vs Proposals (BCP), vs. specifications that are emerging in various other standards groups (IETF, W3C, and we have desire to submit some of these as BIPs as well).

We do a few things differently, one of which in particular might be useful for the future of BIPs: we reset the numbers every year. So the first new BCR (research proposal) for 2024 would be 2024-01. Also, when there is a major change in an old BCR, we create a new number for it in the new year it is update.

We also have a concept called "Status", which is a progression that only moves forward if BCRs are actually implemented with a reference implementation, and advances further when they have multiple implementations (and thus are qualified moved over to BCP repo as it is somewhat stable and no longer "research".). A last form is when a specification has moved to be controlled by another standards group (such as a BIP). If only one organization implements a BCR, it will never advance to BCP.

Some form of Status for BIPs inspired by this concept could track if a BIP was ever actually implemented by someone, or more ideally, implemented by multiple people in multiple organizations, ideally in multiple languages.

Here is how we currently do status, and the status of our current specifications: https://github.com/BlockchainCommons/Research/blob/master/README.md#status

Each BCR has a status which is indicated by a symbol.

Symbol  Title   Description
❌❌ Withdrawn Of historic interest only. Withdrawn either because never came into use or proved sufficiently problematic that we do not recommend its usage in any way. ❌ Superseded Superseded by a newer BCR. We do not suggest implementing as an output format, but you may still wish to implement as an input format to maintain backward compatibility. 📙 Research Contains original research or proposes specifications that have not yet been implemented by us. Offered to the community for consideration. ⭐️ Reference Implementation At least one reference implementation has been released, usually as a library, and may include demos or other supporting tools. This specification still remains very open to change because it has not yet (to our knowledge) been implemented by additional parties. ⭐️⭐️ Multiple Implementations At least two (known) implementations exist, at least one not by the owner of the reference implementation. Has demonstrable community support. May still change due to the needs of the community, but community feedback will be sought. ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Standards Track Typically at least two implementations, and is considered stable and ready for standardization. Being proposed as a BIP, IETF Internet Draft, or some other standardization draft format. Will typically be moved to theBCP repo <https://github.com/BlockchainCommons/bcps>. Though changes may still be made to the specification, these changes will exclusively be to allow for standardization, and will be conducted with community feedback. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Standardized A specification has been standardized as a an IETF RFC, BIP, or approved by some other standards body.

❌❌ after another status symbol is read, "...but withdrawn" and ❌ is read, "...but superseded".

-- Christopher Allen


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