On Wed, 25 Jul 2001, Jim Knoble wrote:
> If window menus don't have titlebars, then they can't be torn off.
> Your point is moot. Half the purpose of the close button would be to serve
> as an indication that the menu is torn off (the other half is to
> provide a method for the non-expert user to close the menu).
That the menu is visible suggests that its torn off. My point is far from
moot. Consistency is pretty important, and adding a close button is not
only inconsistent, its just redundant. The non-expert user should
probably be using GNOME or KDE.
> : If you bothered to look, torn off menus _are_ inaccessible from
> : parent menus. I would prefer that they be accessible, but my point
> : was centered around the current state of affairs.
>
> Ahem. Believe me, i have "bothered". The status quo isn't necessarily
> the optimal state of affairs.
I agree. However, when I first commented on this, I was speaking about
the status quo.
> : By the way, you seem to have a fairly definitive idea of good/bad
> : design.
>
> Yes. If you don't, you might begin reading some of these:
I do. I happen to think your idea is misguided in some areas.
> : You need to realize that you do not define the merit of a design for
> : the rest of us.
>
> I don't claim to. Others have already.
You did.
> As you say, it's problematic, and should be carefully considered,
> probably by Jeff an Brad.
I think the fewer key-mouse combinations, the better. Alt-mouse solves a
problem that requires it, I believe your solution is unnecessarily
complicated.
> : > There's not really any reason not to open another copy of a torn-off
> : > menu when its item is chosen in the parent menu. This could be
> : > particularly important for keyboard navigation of menus.
> :
> : See previous messages re: "this will only add a few kb to blackbox"
>
> Whatever. We're all relying on Jeff and Brad to carefully consider
> design decisions.
I am not relying on Jeff to do anything. If I don't like the way Jeff
approaches development, I won't use his code.
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