I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you here. If you, as a developer, have abandoned, and this is very deliberate wording here, rather than stopped supporting, again, very specific wording here, you have, in essence, given up any pretense at ownership. Now, if you, as a developer, see that there is interest in that old product and you pick it up again/start selling it on your web site, then the software is not abandoned.
Short answer: you are not stealing something that has been abandoned (see above for what I mean by "abandoned"). Since you answered my question, I will answer yours. If someone "abandons," and not merely mislays/misplaces something, then they have given up all ownership to it. If I, for instance, have some canned food that I do not want and simply leave out in my apartment building's lounge, I have abandoned that property, i.e. given up any pretense at ownership. If someone abandons a farm and there are still crops growing there, then those crops are free for the taking by anyone who wants them. Regarding buildings, that gets a little more complicated as there are other ordinances that may be in place that dictates what happens to a building that has been abandoned. Make sense? On 4/1/20, Nick and Gemma Adamson <n...@ndadamson.com> wrote: > Hi Justin. > A single word, consent. > It comes down to who owns the intellectual property. > As a dev When I write software for my company they own the intellectual > property, when I code in my own time, what little of it I get, I own the > intellectual property. > > As the owner of the property, weather physical or not it is still my > property and there for its my choice what I do with it. > As to harm, there's absolutely no harm, however in my eyes its still > classified as steeling. > > Its very different if the dev makes a public statement abandoning the work. > At that point they may specifically say that they release all rights to the > software, then at that point go for it. But IMO unless the dev specifically > says that then it's still their property and by making assumptions about > weather something has been abandoned or not your taking the dev's IP without > consent. > > For me this is all about consent. > > So, I've answered your question, I'd love to hear your answers to my > questions, I'm genuinely interested in to how people think on this kind of > thing. > > Thanks. > Nick. > > -----Original Message----- > From: blind-gamers@groups.io <blind-gamers@groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin > Jones > Sent: 01 April 2020 11:21 > To: blind-gamers@groups.io > Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Give me your thoughts > > I am going to counter your question with a question: what is the harm in > using software that a developer no longer uses/makes any profit off of? > > On 4/1/20, Nick and Gemma Adamson <n...@ndadamson.com> wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> Interesting conversation. >> So far everyone has pretty much said its fine. >> Other than "So I can play it" are what are your reasons for this. >> >> I come at it from a slightly different angle, although i get why some >> of you think it's OK and I also don't feel software should just die. >> If it was a physical thing, car, building, computer, whatever, that >> had been abandoned would you think it would be OK to take it in that >> scenario? That's not a judgemental question, it’s an open enquiry. How >> about an abandoned farm, would you take some of the fruit or whatever >> was growing? If you say no to a physical thing but yes to software, >> why do you see it as being different, again, I'm making no judgements, >> I'm genuinely interested in your thinking. >> If you think its OK and this is justified because we don't have that >> many games, what is your thinking for why this should change things? >> >> >> Personally, if you've bought the game and but are unable to access >> your key then I would say it's OK. If not or the game was freeware then >> I'd say no. >> The software is owned by the developer and what they choose to do with >> it is up to them, if they choose to abandon it then that is there >> choice, I don't think we have the right to take their work without >> permission, even if that does mean that the game is no longer available. >> >> Having said that, as a dev, I'm maybe a bit biased. >> Thanks. >> Nick. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: blind-gamers@groups.io <blind-gamers@groups.io> On Behalf Of >> Justin Jones >> Sent: 01 April 2020 10:40 >> To: blind-gamers@groups.io >> Subject: Re: [blind-gamers] Give me your thoughts >> >> If the developer indeed no longer has a presence/does not support >> their software, then the game would be classified as "abandonware." >> The answer, most definitively, is no, it is not wrong to crack >> abandonware. >> >> On 4/1/20, michael barnes <c...@samobile.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Me personally I don't think it is wrong. Especially if you purchased >>> the software. >>> I also don't think it is wrong if the developer just up and left with >>> no trace to contact the developer. That is just like Bavisoft and >>> VipGamesZone. >>> It is sad for those who want to get a copy of a software that is no >>> longer available for purchase and download. I personally don't see >>> anything wrong with giving that person a crack to activate the >>> software. Obviously the developer don't care what happens to their >>> software. >>> If the developer care for what happens with their software then they >>> would do a couple of things. One they would unlock it so that people >>> could get it. >>> Two they would at least have a way for you to contact them to get the >>> software even if you have to pay for it. I see this happening a lot >>> in the audio game world. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Justin M. Jones, M.A. >> atreides...@gmail.com >> (254) 624-9155 >> 701 Ewing St. #509-C, Ft. 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