LGTM1 to ship this without waiting on TAG feedback. Please add a feature flag just in case, and follow up on any TAG feedback in future milestones.
On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 9:27 AM Elad Alon <elada...@google.com> wrote: > Hello Blink owners, > > I am working to align getDisplayMedia() and the Extension API, to the > point that deprecating the Hangouts Extension would be possible. It's going > to be a gradual process with multiple changes required. Shipping this one > particular API surface (systemAudio) in the next Chrome release would > greatly expedite projected timelines, as it would unblock some other work. > > I've spoken to Sangwhan (CCed), and it seems like TAG review is expected > end-of-July - a significant delay. I am therefore asking that, out of the > four intents recently sent, this one intent be approved without waiting for > TAG. Wdys? > > Thanks, > Elad > > On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 5:47:49 PM UTC+2 sligh...@chromium.org > wrote: > >> Thanks Harald and Elad. >> >> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 5:19:17 AM UTC-7 Harald Alvestrand wrote: >> >>> re webrtc trying to skip TAG review ... we were told at one point (a few >>> years back, I think) that we were sending too many TAG reviews; I believe >>> that at that point, something like 1/3 of the outstanding TAG reviews were >>> on relatively small WebRTC features. I guess we scaled back too forcefully >>> .... thanks for pointing out the desire to course-correct. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:13 PM Alex Russell <sligh...@chromium.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Elad, >>>> >>>> This is a pretty simple design, and it's great to see the progress >>>> here. That said, this group of intents (systemAudio, >>>> suppressLocalAudioPlayback, and selfBrowserSurface) would benefit from a >>>> joint explainer with considered alternatives outlined. The TAG might not >>>> have much to say about small changes, but our process asks teams to *at >>>> least *send them an FYI for non-controversial updates so that they can >>>> consider how parts fit together in future. >>>> >>>> Given that the WebRTC group has a history of trying to skip TAG review, >>>> it doesn't seem right for this set of features to launch without some >>>> intentional design review. Can you file a request with them or get several >>>> of the current and former TAG members (Rossen, David, Alice, myself, or >>>> Domenic) in the project to review the design directly? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 12:35:24 AM UTC-7 Elad Alon wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've set my alarm. >>>>> I'll implicitly assume the same period is intended for the other three >>>>> intents-to-ship sent at roughly the same time. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:29 AM Yoav Weiss <yoav...@chromium.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Let's give them 1 more week to respond. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:21 AM Elad Alon <elad...@google.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, will do. (I've also sent a personal email on the day >>>>>>> the intent went out.) >>>>>>> When shall I ping this thread if no response is received? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 8:30 AM Yoav Weiss <yoav...@chromium.org> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:38:53 PM UTC+2 Elad Alon wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Contact emailselad...@chromium.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Explainer >>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1q3oGy7hLJmdQA4ZK7QG7DnwgtcpL6oB2pqLQJ6MP1tY/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Specification >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/mediacapture-screen-share/pull/222/files >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Summary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hint indicating to the user agent whether the application, upon >>>>>>>>> calling getDisplayMedia() with {audio: true} or similar, wishes >>>>>>>>> *system >>>>>>>>> audio* to be offered to the user. (If not - only offer tab-audio.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Blink componentBlink >>>>>>>>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TAG reviewN/A. This is just an addition of a single flag to an >>>>>>>>> existing dictionary, following well-known patterns. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TAG review statusNot applicable >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Risks >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Gecko*: Positive ( >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/638) >>>>>>>>> Jan-Ivar Bruaroey from Mozilla, and Youenn Fablet from Apple, have >>>>>>>>> both >>>>>>>>> collaborated with us closely in shaping this PR. They have then >>>>>>>>> approved >>>>>>>>> merging this PR into w3c/mediacapture-screen-share. This is implicit >>>>>>>>> support, so I'd consider it POSITIVE even though, as of the time of >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> writing, the official request for position has not yet been answered. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *WebKit*: Positive ( >>>>>>>>> https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2022-May/032247.html) >>>>>>>>> Jan-Ivar Bruaroey from Mozilla, and Youenn Fablet from Apple, have >>>>>>>>> both >>>>>>>>> collaborated with us closely in shaping this PR. They have then >>>>>>>>> approved >>>>>>>>> merging this PR into w3c/mediacapture-screen-share. This is implicit >>>>>>>>> support, so I'd consider it POSITIVE even though, as of the time of >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> writing, the official request for position has not yet been answered. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While encouraging, neither counts as a positive position based on >>>>>>>> https://bit.ly/blink-signals >>>>>>>> It might be good to give them a few more days to chime in. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *Web developers*: Positive Endorsed by Google Meet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Security >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This feature can only be used by Web applications to REDUCE the >>>>>>>>> amount of private information they obtain from the user. As such, >>>>>>>>> this is a >>>>>>>>> net security gain. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Debuggability >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> N/A >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms >>>>>>>>> (Windows, Mac, Linux, Chrome OS, Android, and Android WebView)? >>>>>>>>> No. Supported on all platforms that support getDisplayMedia. >>>>>>>>> (Namely, all desktop platforms.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>>>>>>>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >>>>>>>>> ?No >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tracking bug >>>>>>>>> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1329129 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Estimated milestones >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No milestones specified >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Link to entry on the Chrome Platform Status >>>>>>>>> https://chromestatus.com/feature/4649448880734208 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Links to previous Intent discussionsIntent to prototype: >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/g/blink-dev/c/zUJh3aXAC3k >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This intent message was generated by Chrome Platform Status >>>>>>>>> <https://chromestatus.com/>. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "blink-dev" group. >>>> >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to blink-dev+unsubscr...@chromium.org. >>>> >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/1dc008bf-e1f9-4d73-8b29-287cbf2e6f1fn%40chromium.org >>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/d/msgid/blink-dev/1dc008bf-e1f9-4d73-8b29-287cbf2e6f1fn%40chromium.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "blink-dev" group. 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