> Could you explain how this feature and PEPC relate, and why having them work together is a bad thing?
PEPC is a completely different permissions UI for Chrome that disables the experience that includes previews. The explainer for PEPC <https://github.com/andypaicu/PEPC/blob/main/explainer.md> demonstrates conceptual UI for PEPC, and I believe running Chrome using these instructions <https://github.com/WICG/PEPC/blob/main/HOWTO.md> will allow you to try it yourself. Currently media previews are not supported in PEPC, but the outcome of the experiment and PEPC origin trial will help inform us about whether it makes sense to integrate these features in the future. > Do you plan to deprecate one of the features once the Deprecation Trial is finished? (Or are you just requesting an Origin Trial to temporarily disable something, and expect it to be re-enabled in the future?) I can't speak for PEPC. For Media Previews, future changes will be based on feedback from our Finch experiments and discussions with sites that use the opt out origin trial. We may, for example, decide to attempt an API that allows sites to customize the camera and mic permissions UI in ways that extend beyond PEPC. Or we may not do that and instead enable previews for all non-PEPC-using sites. m. On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 10:21 AM Mike Taylor <miketa...@chromium.org> wrote: > FWIW, a deprecation trial can surpass 6 milestones - but they require > sufficient justification as well as 3 LGTMs. > > That said, I'm not sure I understand the request here. I read the linked > "Chrome Camera and Mic Previews" document, but I think the Rollout plan > section is assuming more info than I have. Could you explain how this > feature and PEPC relate, and why having them work together is a bad thing? > Do you plan to deprecate one of the features once the Deprecation Trial is > finished? (Or are you just requesting an Origin Trial to temporarily > disable something, and expect it to be re-enabled in the future?) > > Something that approaches an Explainer would probably be helpful here - > thanks! > > On 5/10/24 5:05 PM, mark a. foltz wrote: > > I'm fine with shortening the trial, as long as extensions are possible in > case we need longer to ship a long-term solution. > > On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 12:39 PM Vladimir Levin <vmp...@chromium.org> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 2:40 PM mark a. foltz <mfo...@chromium.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Contact emails mfo...@chromium.org, bryantchand...@chromium.org >>> >>> Explainer None >>> >>> Specification >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZnX2JROjr9l4y2_OPMpfVlLOo-A5cQzD4mWarj9kXQ0/edit >>> >>> Design docs >>> >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZnX2JROjr9l4y2_OPMpfVlLOo-A5cQzD4mWarj9kXQ0/edit >>> >>> Summary >>> >>> Allow coordination between sites using Page Embedded Permissions >>> Controls and concurrent experiments with the camera and microphone >>> permissions UI in Chrome. >>> >>> >>> Blink component Blink>MediaStream >>> <https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?q=component:Blink%3EMediaStream> >>> >>> TAG review None >>> >>> TAG review status Not applicable >>> >>> Chromium Trial Name MediaPreviewsOptOutPersistent >>> >>> Origin Trial documentation link >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZnX2JROjr9l4y2_OPMpfVlLOo-A5cQzD4mWarj9kXQ0/edit?usp=sharing >>> >>> WebFeature UseCounter name kOBSOLETE_PageDestruction >>> >>> Risks >>> >>> >>> Interoperability and Compatibility >>> >>> None as this feature concerns the functionality of Chrome's permissions >>> UI, and does not change the behavior of the APIs that are gated by it: >>> navigator.mediaDevices.enumerateDevices and >>> navigator.mediaDevices.getUserMedia Other browsers implement their own >>> permissions UIs independently of Chrome. >>> >>> >>> *Gecko*: N/A >>> >>> *WebKit*: N/A >>> >>> *Web developers*: No signals >>> >>> *Other signals*: >>> >>> Ergonomics >>> >>> N/A >>> >>> >>> Activation >>> >>> N/A >>> >>> >>> Security >>> >>> N/A >>> >>> >>> WebView application risks >>> >>> Does this intent deprecate or change behavior of existing APIs, such >>> that it has potentially high risk for Android WebView-based applications? >>> >>> None >>> >>> >>> Goals for experimentation >>> >>> Ongoing technical constraints >>> >>> There are no plans to add media previews to Chrome on platforms other >>> than Windows/Mac/Linux. >>> >>> >>> Debuggability >>> >>> N/A >>> >>> >>> Will this feature be supported on all six Blink platforms (Windows, Mac, >>> Linux, ChromeOS, Android, and Android WebView)? No >>> >>> There are currently no plans to launch previews outside of >>> Windows/Mac/Linux. >>> >>> >>> Is this feature fully tested by web-platform-tests >>> <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/testing/web_platform_tests.md> >>> ? No >>> >>> N/A >>> >>> >>> DevTrial instructions https://tinyurl.com/yc6mvth8 >>> >>> Flag name on chrome://flags --enable-features=camera-mic-preview >>> >>> Finch feature name CameraMicPreview >>> >>> Requires code in //chrome? 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