andrew burke said: >>> Not on a public list, no. You are free to ask the question, but not to >>> expect others to constrain themselves to your arbitrary lines of >>> response. It's not that people don't like you personally, it's just that >>> we all feel kind of put upon to be told, "don't say what you think, just >>> let me noodle around on this list." It's exclusionary. You have as much >>> a right to talk about certification's potential as someone else does to >>> say it's a lose. >> >> I never excluded people. I was asking them to play a different game. >> And I asked those who didn't want to play, to find a different game. > > This is said without realizing the irony?
Hey, where were you as Irony-Identifier when Aaron called me exclusionary in the same email that he me to take the converation off the list? I can't have a conversation about advocacy with the 4 or 5 pro-advocacy people without being called "exclusionary"? That's ironic? But its fine to tell me to take my perl advocacy conversation off the list because someone doesn't like it? That isn't ironic? > There have been a multitude of reasonable responses to your emails, > especially recently. You continue to try to play the martyr, even after > people have given you good feedback and advice. a multitude of reasonable responses? It must be nice to be able to pick the worst of what I've said the best of what everyone else has replied, and honestly believe that it represents the whole of teh conversation. I know I blew my stack after a bunch of emails on socialists and bifucation. I admitted it awhile ago. I know that pulled the conversation off track. But I'm sick of hearing such a one-sided version of teh story that I'm a martyr and everone else has simply been reasonable, rational, and oh-so-level-headed. > I think it's time for you to either move the discussion forward with > regards to the criticisms people have lodged or stop talking about it. > You've gotten reasonable responses, you can no longer cry 'FUD'. Are you moderating now? Why didn't you step in and moderate when people were crying socialism and bifucation of the whole perl community? people would stop maintaining their CPAN modules if certification were enacted. That's wehn teh conversation stopped moving forward. If moving the conversation forward is so important, why didn't you jump in back then and demand it? And now that it's been sufficiently killed, I should focus on the multitude of reasonable responses and move the conversation forward? forget it. it's dead. killed a long time ago. By my own doing apparently, because everyone else has been nothing but reasonable and rational and open to whatever conversation people want to have. Whatever. If that's the story you tell yourself to describe this, that's your choice. Just don't expect me to buy it. Now if you'll excuse me, the zookeeper is handing out bananas. _______________________________________________ Boston-pm mailing list Boston-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boston-pm
