For the inevitable parts replacements, who’s your go to? > On May 4, 2023, at 9:26 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus > <brewtus@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > “A little mirror can be helpful” > Love auto-correct sometimes… > b > >> On May 4, 2023, at 08:12, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >> <brewtus@googlegroups.com <mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >> >> Just a guess— the vacuum breaker on the steam boiler will always vent some >> steam before it’s sealed shut during the warm-up cycle. On my new machine, >> that steam is directed into a piece of tubing that goes into the drip tray. >> On my B2, it just went into the case and so if it was used with hard water, >> I would expect some white mineral would form on the inside. Perhaps that? >> Again, doesn’t really concern me, but could be a leak of clean water? I >> agree with your idea to power the machine on and let it come to full >> temperature and leave it that way maybe even for 24 hours. Cycling water >> through the various things, water wand, brew group, steam wand, etc. I would >> do all that with the case open and be careful not to shock yourself. A great >> starting point to see if you have other leaks and so forth. A little little >> can be helpful. >> b >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 4, 2023, at 08:09, peter riess <plri...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:plri...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Ben, >>> >>> Glad to hear! I’ve only been learning about the internals from old videos >>> done on the brand new units so this was a little shocking. >>> >>> I think before I start on the renovation I should fire it up and see what >>> else might be going on. How about the white powder that has accumulated on >>> the boiler? >>> >>> Thanks for the words of encouragement! >>> >>> Peter >>> >>>> On May 4, 2023, at 8:11 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>> <brewtus@googlegroups.com <mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey there Peter! >>>> Saw all the pics yesterday as well, none of it scares me very much. I was >>>> going to comment that you’ve found your leak when I saw the brown stains >>>> under the boiler! >>>> >>>> The E61 internals don’t look bad to me, and much of that will be replaced >>>> anyway. It should clean up well. >>>> >>>> The factory wiring looks really good actually—I’m guessing this machine >>>> hasn’t been on very much each day. Mine is on from about 5AM to noon, and >>>> all the white shields on the female plugs became brittle and broke off >>>> after a number of years. >>>> >>>> $500 was a good price I think! >>>> >>>> As to the pressure, I don’t think my B2 (nor my current ECM) ever returns >>>> to zero—that also doesn’t strike me as odd. >>>> >>>> I think when you get the old insulation pulled and start cleaning things >>>> up, you will be pleasantly surprised. It’s like a barn find for an old >>>> moto! >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> b >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2023, at 20:54, peter riess <plri...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:plri...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> <IMG_3625.jpeg> >>>>> The water supply. This must be 3/8 BSA? >>>>> >>>>> <IMG_3622.jpeg> >>>>> >>>>> This is the pipe from the boiler to the brewgroup. Might be the source of >>>>> the leak? >>>>> >>>>> <IMG_3618.jpeg> >>>>> >>>>> Is the normal looking wear and tear? >>>>> >>>>> <IMG_3617.jpeg> >>>>> >>>>> Shouldn’t the pressure be at zero, not at 2? Machine is unplugged. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for taking a look and sharing any thoughts! >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>>> On May 3, 2023, at 9:02 PM, peter riess <plri...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:plri...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I picked up the machine and opened her up. Looks like a project! A few >>>>>> wiring issues, some old heat baked components, and some scary looking >>>>>> white buildup on the boiler. >>>>>> Only paid $500 in the end... >>>>>> >>>>>> Attached are some images. >>>>>> <D3659062-D4ED-498B-9C2A-5A6AB728CB10_1_102_o.jpeg><46B97167-CEC5-490A-ADD0-379CB408F3B1_1_102_o.jpeg><2DC417DD-D99C-43DB-8829-8B674DA9E83B_1_102_o.jpeg><C52FDF04-C00A-479F-BE90-E6738354ADFB_1_102_o.jpeg> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:00:10 PM UTC-6 Ben McCafferty wrote: >>>>>>> Heck yeah! >>>>>>> b >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 17:25, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased and >>>>>>>> it comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty >>>>>>>> confident and at $600, maybe worth the future trouble? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>> <bre...@googlegroups.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace everything >>>>>>>>> that can fail. Then you basically get a new machine with your own >>>>>>>>> labor to blame for any failures, ha ha. That would definitely get you >>>>>>>>> a period of reliability, but possibly with unnecessary expense up >>>>>>>>> front. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ben, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is >>>>>>>>>> sounding expensive at that rate. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are >>>>>>>>>> spending on annual maintenance? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>> <bre...@googlegroups.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A bunch of great advice here. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even nicer >>>>>>>>>>> to have the drain plumbed. Having done both with my current >>>>>>>>>>> machine, I’d never go back. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can also >>>>>>>>>>> adjust the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its max, around >>>>>>>>>>> 1.45 bar if memory serves. This made a world of difference for me >>>>>>>>>>> vs. stock settings. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite >>>>>>>>>>> exceptional Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to discuss >>>>>>>>>>> switching to a non-stock model that was available at Chris’ Coffee >>>>>>>>>>> and maybe Espresso Parts. It was great (Jaeger maybe?). Search my >>>>>>>>>>> old posts and you’ll find it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group head up >>>>>>>>>>> to temp (which is the strength of this machine’s design, as is the >>>>>>>>>>> case with all E61’s). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this >>>>>>>>>>> group and the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was >>>>>>>>>>> working on my machine every few months, and after about 2 more >>>>>>>>>>> years of that, went with the ECM instead. Holy crap have they >>>>>>>>>>> gotten expensive though! The ECM likes to eat vacuum breakers, and >>>>>>>>>>> also they have a silicon tube that goes from the vacuum breaker to >>>>>>>>>>> the drip tray (a nice touch, keeps the steam condensation out of >>>>>>>>>>> the housing). That tubing rots regularly also. I’ve done one >>>>>>>>>>> element, very easy replacement method. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid >>>>>>>>>>> sealant. Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of removing >>>>>>>>>>> a heating element from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with the factory >>>>>>>>>>> sealant—definitely need a friend with an impact hammer and a way to >>>>>>>>>>> clamp the boiler in a vise without bending it. With teflon tape, >>>>>>>>>>> the remove/replace is worlds easier. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the vibe >>>>>>>>>>> pump was a regular replacement item also; the rotary never needed >>>>>>>>>>> work other than setting the pressure when I installed it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an hour >>>>>>>>>>> under pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really nice. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, keep us posted! >>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have a >>>>>>>>>>>> part time tub repair job! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point >>>>>>>>>>>> where it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <awmea...@gmail.com <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for a >>>>>>>>>>>>> few months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. >>>>>>>>>>>>> When I did plumb it, my water pressure was too high causing a >>>>>>>>>>>>> leak in the machine so I had to add a pressure regulator upstream >>>>>>>>>>>>> from it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own >>>>>>>>>>>>> this machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've >>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced several parts including a control board, a heating >>>>>>>>>>>>> element, a sensor, and for whatever reason I am averaging going >>>>>>>>>>>>> through about two pressurestat per year (I buy them in bulk now). >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you enjoy learning about these machines and don't mind working >>>>>>>>>>>>> on them, then go for it, but if you don't, then steer clear. On >>>>>>>>>>>>> the upside, this group is extremely helpful as has been Whole >>>>>>>>>>>>> Latte Love tech support. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>>>> followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <jason....@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just stick a hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rotary pump needs a minimum water pressure to function, but I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could be wrong there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well. I’m currently using a GCP so this would be a big upgrade. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe a huge time suck as well.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol jug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of good H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the icemachine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line and figuring out an inline filter and some holes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counters, walls, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <jason....@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be right there with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a leaking machine at $950, but would likely jump on it at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV version is quite a nice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. My biggest gripe (which is a common one) is the lack >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of steam power, but there are ways to improve that with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different tips/wands. I chose a higher-wattage steam element, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and if the elements are due for replacement anyway, this is an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option (but not a trivial option, as it does involve replacing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wiring that's not intended for higher current). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ask is $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay much more than $600-700. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end of the line for the brand. I gather these are no longer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made and parts are harder to find than for an old Quick Mill, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bre...@ <>googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what discount are you getting, how willing are you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace/repair parts, and as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer in service), and now have an ECM (another E61 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, very similar). At 8 years, you are definitely into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phase where you will be replacing things and I feel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, that may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brewtus and didn’t have any buildup to mention. Definitely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the case in all areas. As an aside, I’ve been using the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BWT system (WLL carries it) for maybe 6 years now and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money well spent. No more descaling is their claim, it’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been true for me (I live in a different area now than I did >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the B2 that didn’t scale, harder water here). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need replacing relatively soon: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid/plunger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tubing to the hot water boiler which is prone to clogging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a vendor—I have a bag of 100 high temp/food grade and happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to send you one or more). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —PID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on machines), I’d say go for it! In any case, you will know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine well, and since you’ll be doing future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, fix the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leak, and then be pleasantly surprised (and money ahead) for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time that you don’t need to do the things I mentioned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> above. ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mine ever, unless a line blew or something like that. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to chase that down and fix it, I hope you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one of those things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that drains my energy fast—just annoys the crap out of me I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It works great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick to get things aligned, etc., especially on the pump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assembly. I have always used yellow teflon tape instead (you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could add teflon paste over the tape if you wish) and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never had a leak that I can recall. Just might save you a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little headache/heartburn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <plr...@gmail.com <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming from a spot under one of the boilers. I assume it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was build for the states. My biggest concern I guess is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ezekie...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mine is 15 years old and it drips since I have owned it. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have to see where it is dripping from to give you a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better idea. There are some things to consider if you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to purchase. How handy are you? Some things I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend doing to your machine to make it more hardy. Is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine for the States or Overseas? The machine was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built for 220 v 10 amps. The States where I live are 120 v >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20 amps. The extra amps over time has caused some problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <plr...@gmail.com <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently it drips a small amount of discolored water as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it warms up. Collects on counter under machine. She's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's owned it. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure about her water quality but she has it on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the dripping raise a hairy red flag?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to brewtus+u...@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. 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