----- Original Message ----- From: "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: Re: Contraception and Wedding Nights Re: science Vs religion
> At 09:11 PM 11/8/2002 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote: > > I do not know a single Catholic who uses any form of birth > >control other than "The Pill" > > Well, its probably a small sample given the population size of Catholic > couples. I think that it would be very reasonable to say that there are > many hundreds of thousands, if not a couple million couples practicing NFP > in the US today. > > >And this includes people who one would > >describe in all other ways as "devout". > > Well failing to be obedient to a Church teaching that has been made with > such clarity, and without grave moral reason, would consitute a very > important exception to being "devout". > > >So I think you need some extra adjective in front of catholic for Johns > >statement to be more accurate. But what John says is true in a dogmatic sort > >of way. > > In other words, I think that what is actually needed is an alternative word > to "devout" to describe Catholics who have a very strong spiritual life, > but don't actually follow the precepts of the religion. But, they do; if you get down to the fundamental precepts of the religion. One's can go against the pope and be a non-sinning Catholic. One cannot violate one's own conscience.** It is clear to me that the birth control ruling, which my uncle pointed out at the time had not one quote of scripture to back it up, was a question of fear of losing control, just as the reaction of the Vatican to the present pedophile scandal is. One can be a good Catholic, and be opposed to the return of triumphalism. Dan M. **I got this church law ruling from a very conservative vicar general of the St. Cloud, MN diocese about 30 years ago. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
