-- Ticia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Deborah Harrell wrote:
> > --- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > <snippage> 
> >>I *have* been prepared to kick a dog in the throat
> >>once or twice, but it's
> >>never come to that.  The worst I ever had to deal
> >>with that didn't also
> >>involve a dog of my own, I managed to psych the
> dogs out (but was prepared
> >>to kick one in the throat and let Dan deal with
> the other).  
> >>Ever make 2 Dobermans turn tail and run?  >:)

> >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > 
> > "Bow *down* before the Queen, her Supremeness
> Alpha B..."   ;}
> > Only one Rottweiler, myself.
> > 
> > It's Good To Be The Queen Maru  :)
> 
> 
> One Rottweiler, but I was scared s...less inside,
> and sure he'd notice/ 
> smell it, and inches from a safe gate to hide
> behind.
> 
> How did you manage it, oh Queen B...?  :)

I suspect the Queen has answered for herself already;
my particular tale revolves more around sheer fury
than any coherent thought, and that dog *knew it.* 
Interestingly, he acknowledged me as "pack leader" and
would listen to me far better than to his owner -- but
then I too am an Alpha B, in RL.  ;}  

<serious - and unless you want a lesson in horse/dog
handling, skip this>
Mostly it's attitude, reflected in dominant body
language: "I'm leader here, NO QUESTION!"  It works
equally well on dogs, horses, and even
middle-schoolers (junior high, ~ 6th -> 8th grades. 
The *real* trick is learning the difference between
bullies (who will almost always back down before
unshakable self-assurance), the truly scared (who
split between needing leadership in a spooky
situation, and lashing out in genuine panic -- the
former need calm authority, the latter should not be
confronted or punished unless safety absolutely
requires it), and the dangerously psychotic
(thankfully a tiny minority, but capable of explosive
violence -- I *do not* confront these unless someone's
life is in danger).  Another category is the truly
proud, who must be allowed some choice, preserving a
degree of dignity; these I confront much more
indirectly, if possible.  

Frex: a horse I had judged as "proud and dominant, but
not mean" reared at me last weekend, and instead of
backing off, I advanced into his space with "hard
eyes" and a very stern voice, lashing the leadline
back-and-forth (but not striking him); he promptly
backed off (always leave an animal space to retreat!)
and I ceased glaring at him, as well as adopting a
relaxed body stance.  Later, that same horse tested me
more severely by rearing and advancing into _my_
space; I again used "hard eyes" and a severe voice as
well as dominant body stance (facing squarely, chin
and shoulders advanced, 'center-of-energy' raised from
abdomen to chest), and struck him twice on the
shoulder with a heavy leadline, allowing him to decide
to back away immediately.  I kept "hard eyes" on him
until he turned his head away, thus showing a degree
of submission.  Later still, when he was pushing his
owner around in his stall (she was trying to put feed
in his bucket), I simply interposed my body in-between
and refrained from any eye contact (I wasn't
challenging him, just not permitting him to crowd the
'lower-ranking mare'); when he finally quit trying to
get around me, I patted and praised him, looking at
him with "soft eyes," then stepped away. 
[Incidentally, his owner tells me he has behaved much
more politely this past week....I don't train horses
as much as teach 'their' people to be "lead mare!" ;)
]

Judging which category the animal/person fits is
really a matter of experience, coupled with long
observation of animal/human behavior.  It becomes a
"gut instinct," nearly always correct; of course, the
times when it's *wrong* are when you get injured (only
once so far for me; no more please, knock-on-wood!)!

<end lecture>  :)


> Barely a Princess Niece Twice Removed Maru
> Ticia ',:)

Merely A High-Ranking Lady Of The List Maru  ;)

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