At 09:09 PM 5/11/2005 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote:
>> Instead, I am just expressing my confidence that if you have even a modicum
>> of honesty you can come up with something that is measurably better 
>> in Iraq today than it was under Saddam Hussein.   After all, Saddam 
>> Hussein's
>> regime was one of the 5 worst regimes on Earth.   Unless you believe 
>> that Iraq is *stil* one of the 5 worst regimes on Earth, then I am 
>> *sure* that you can come up with something - if you are willing to 
>> be honest about it.
>
>I don't think it has to do with honesty in the everyday sense of the word.  
>I'm at a loss to come up with a *measurable* way of showing that things are 
>better in Iraq today than before we invaded.  

Come on Nick!    I can't *believe* that I have to help you out with this.
Either you are being dishonest about your ability to come up with one
measurable thing, or you are woefully unable to see other points of view.

Well, let me help you out:

-number of political prisoners
-number of people subjected to torture  (yes, even *with* Abu Ghraib)
-number of people able to practice their religion freely
-number of people able to petition their government for redresss of grievances
-number of people who cast free ballots in the last election
-number of victims of systematic ethnic cleansing

And I am sure you can come up with more.....

Again, Nick, after all, Saddam Hussein's regime was one of the 5 worst
regimes on Earth.   Unless you believe 
that Iraq is *stil* one of the 5 worst regimes on Earth, then I am  *sure*
that you can come up with something - if you are willing to be honest about
it.

JDG
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