----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren Ockrassa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <brin-l@mccmedia.com>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: They were For it before they were Against it


> On Jul 11, 2005, at 8:34 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
>
> > The Cardinal draws the line in the wrong place....so I'm not defending
> > his
> > editorial. I'm just pointing out that his error is not the typical
> > creationist error.
>
> Indeed not. Both MWM and multiverse seem pretty hard to swallow; what
> do you think of Bohm's interpretation? It seems pretty parsimonious and
> doesn't try to invalidate Bell.

I don't see it as quite as parsimonious as you do.  One of the reasons for
this is that it requires real backwards in time signals to exist.  The
problems with backwards in time signals are significant.  I can't say,
absolutely, that there is no way to achieve rules limiting how this occurs
to prevent casual loops (e.g. a tower sending a signal that blows up the
tower that sent the signal an hour before it sent it), but it is very
problematic.  One of the reasons it is problematic is that we'd have to
replace the simplicity of relativistic locality (spacelike operators must
commute) with something much more complicated.

As far as I can see,  professional physicists are mostly in the "shut up
and calculate" camp.  Those that are not tend to favor MWI or Copenhagen.
The unseen but very real "backwards in time signals" are rather troubling
because they seem to involve hidden violations of laws of physics that we
never see violated.

Dan M.


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