On 6 Dec 2007, at 16:14, Nick Arnett wrote:

> On Dec 6, 2007 7:47 AM, William T Goodall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
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>>
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>> This is arguing that smoking doesn't cause cancer because sunbathing
>> causes cancer.
>
>
> No, it's arguing that people tend to cling to their beliefs for  
> reasons
> other than logic.

People cursed with faith do, but I don't. My beliefs are what the  
evidence and logic lead me to.

>
>
> The same challenge exists in faith as in science -- to remain open- 
> minded.
> You seem to be claiming that religion is inherently close-minded...  
> perhaps
> you might consider the possibility that it isn't so, even though some
> religious people, like some of all people, are close-minded and seek  
> to
> convert others to close-mindedness.  Politics is much the same.  And  
> science
> is riddled with politics.

Creeds, dogma, holy texts, Papal infallibility, God revealing the  
Qur'an to Muhammad - this is all extremely close-minded and not open  
to discussion. You either accept it or you're not part of that  
religion. There is no open-mindedness there. Try having an open-minded  
discussion with a Muslim about whether Muhammad might not have been  
the last prophet, or a Catholic about that 'every sperm is sacred'  
gibberish.

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>
>>
>> I confront them all the time. Vigourously. That's how this discussion
>> got started!
>
>
> Then you get the point of my sarcasm.
>
> Is it confrontation if your mind is already made up?  Perhaps so,  
> but it is
> certainly not engagement.


Why would I want to 'engage' with ideas I have already proved to be  
false and evil? That would just be stupid and I'm not stupid.

Clever Maru

-- 
William T Goodall
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and possibly program, of all time." - Bill Gates, 1987


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