Check out this response: >The fact that we appear to be on the verge of electing the first >African-American >president, and that he has not inherited the legacy of >slavery and Jim Crow supports this >contention. Given this, I think the nation >as a whole should look to the military for the >means of implementing >affirmative action effectively. From my understanding, goals for >diversity >have existed for years in the military, and have been achieved without >>sacrificing quality. The military expects all to meet the standards it sets, >and works with >young officers to help them meet the requirements to rise in >the ranks. This is the model >I think we should use: no quotas, no lowered >standards, but measure diversity and work >with underrepresented groups to >help them be successful candidates for higher positions. The chance of an African-American becoming president of United States has stirred the old comments of the power of affirmative action and the complexity of racism and the American inheritance and legacy of slavery and Jim Crow. I have often avoided this subject and left it to those types so dense to indicate that Sarah Palin is more qualified than Barack Obama. This amazing insanity is what American racism is all about. This obvious reality of racism deny histories of academic excellence [one taking over seven years to complete a mix of junior college courses and some unknown unnamed colleges at GPA scores around the “D” is held more qualified for the job of USA President than one completing timely degrees at such prestigious colleges as Columbia University and Harvard University with cum laude distinction in a course of constitutional law with a distinction as President of Harvard Law review]. Don’t mention or know that Barack Obama is of African-American descent and we come to understand such hair-brain analysis which ignore all the facts contained on a person’s resume and go to a pre-dispose reality of American White Racism. See man and myth and the religion of racism. With this thesis “a person with a GPA who demonstrated a serious problem with completing a course of study in a mixed junior/unnamed senior colleges at probable 2.0 and below is more qualified for president than one who graduated beyond the top 10% cum laude at Harvard University” We can go anywhere with this idea of racism and the door to ingsoc is what we have. There is no argument on any level in such an environment because the premise that “what is white is right” is a premise for all analysis which does away with the analysis of Obama achievements, the academic achievement of McCain as prerequisite to become president or that of George Bush [i.e. Sarah Palin if you will]. The academic understanding of the US Constitution, Economics, or even the arguments which they propose as a credible analysis of socialism and communism is not a requirement. This dismiss The argument of academic excellence as a prerequisite to becoming a president of US. Let us say that this job is reserved for the gentleman farmer like George Washington or Thomas Jefferson. We may selectively dismiss the fact that either farmer are masters of the tobacco plantations with the lower forty planted in some good marijuana. We may dismiss the facts that their plantation is run by slaves and they are actually the most evil portends against freedom although they spout words about the freedom of all man kind. We may dismiss the fact that man kind must now become something called non-human and the source of dehumanization and jim crow are simply platitudes to cover their contradictions. These same men may have dismissed human labor as their property. The titles to all the wealth which their children inherit are contraband when measured by the principles or justice. A thief can not pass good title however, these folk wish to claim the wealth of the nation much of which find its basis in the slave trade. Now these plantation type gentlemen farmers have contributed to the over throw of the yolk of the British and are symbolic of the office of president we see that they had a mix of academic excellence in their pedigree in many cases more so than -in-chief aspect of the office and just the look of academic preparedness has been enough. not. The president breed placed the premium on the commander in Chief. This is a natural response and logical but racism trump this requirement as we can see from the history of the office of the president. This election show this superior position of racism over the evaluation of the candidate qualification based upon their military experience. http://www.dualj.org/bookstore/item_details.aspx?ItemID=0805942521
John McCain had the most experience and family tradition in this area is we excuse some of his military blunders which show his standing in his graduating class, crashing his jets, and becoming prisoner of war. These are clearly major blunders which would get the black pilot washed out of the class and also not be a celebrated fact in a run for the presidency. Place Colin Power as the candidate and you will see what I mean. But lets set these things aside and see the larger view proposed here where the Nation use the Military and see if racism in the military can produce a greater model for examining itself. See an objective analysis related to the US Soldier and his rights to Constitutional protections under 5th and 14th amendments to the US Constitution at http://kink9570.wordpress.com. Before I present the common sense point of view on this lets us say affirmative action only allowed Obama to present his skills, judgment, mental capacity to a large audience of whites at an university with the highest academic standing in the United States. This is the reality of affirmative action which is align with quotas and also align statistics with the laws which are on the books related equal representation. Screams of fairness are more than numbers, GPA, and the mix or nonsense which might rule the argument on both sides. Experience, family traditions, racism and the whole are what make the analysis complex but not impossible for guys in this group. Affirmative action attack this systemic racism including the transfer for stolen wealth from generation. These attacks of affirmative action upon these traditional Can the Nation look to the military to implement affirmative actions effectively? Does the Military meet the standards and provide the working model because of its fairness, training of young officer, career of black generals, no quotas, standards, diversities and works, successful candidates like Gen. Powell, B. Davis and the likes? If these questions are unclear I need only ask have you served in the US Military? Well we have a history related to affirmative action in the US Military and maybe the jury is just still out because the US Military has failed miserably and the Disable Veteran is a primary example. Again see http://kink9570.wordpress.com. The history of US Military on treatment of the Black soldier goes all the way back to the history of the Buffalo Soldier. The treatment of the African American Soldier is not different than the general treatment and expectations of the Afro-American in the larger American society. Take the Tuskegee Airmen and their contribution in WWII or those of the 504 Inf. Battalion of the 82nd Airborne Division in WWII and you will see groups of the best of the best warriors. They were black and fighting for a nation who despised the color of their skin and we will see the facts which say in “spite of” therefore disregarding a person ability. Affirmative action or quotas provided the nation with facts in your face and ended the isolation which protected the lies and mirrored the accomplishment of a people. Since the 1971 anti-kkk acts, 1951 and Brown VS Board of Education; 1964 Civil Rights and integration which has brought American to face the man called Obama. There are many such young blacks who challenge the stereo-types and lies. These are the greatest contributions which affirmative action has provided this country who practice white racism more often than not. -------------- Original message from "Dan M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -------------- > I've seen questions related to affirmative action being debated on the list, > but hadn't participated, due to the overwhelming RL activity I've been > involved with. Further, my position is rather complex: indeed I see the > discussion as touching on only part of the complexity. > > Even though my position is complex, I can give a quick summary: I do not > believe in quotas, but I do believe in asking questions about the reasons > for the differences after doing statistical analysis. > > I think there is no doubt that a quota type system (which had been used in > the past) has had some very negative results. One of which has been the idea > that hard work and ability are not involved in success. I've given the > example, earlier, of Neli (the older of my two Zambian daughters) being told > that she wasn't black enough because she worked too hard. She need to chill > to be authentic. She's told me how angry she gets about African-Americans > who show up late and very inappropriately dressed for job interviews > expecting to get them because a quota needs to be filled or not get it > because "the man" was against them. > > But, at the same time, I know that Colin Powell stated that he never would > have gotten far without affirmative action. The natural prejudice against > blacks leading whites was so strong that it took rules to overcome it. I > know an extremely capable black man who never reached the level of > responsibility that he was entitled to (a white man took it) and was the > only manager not to sign the time cards of his subordinates because upper > management didn't want to shame his subordinates. > > Most Republicans/Conservatives see affirmative action only in terms of > quotas. Further, they argue that discrimination must be proven on a case by > case basis. > > This seems quite unreasonable to me. For example, take a coin. If one > flips the coin 100 times, and it comes up heads 90 times, one knows > something isn't kosher. However, if it one cannot, on a case by case basis, > determine if it is an honest coin. Each time the odds are even that it will > come up heads or tails.so coming up heads is not any evidence of a loaded > coin. > > I've seen this applied in real life, where I worked. The company decided to > lay off all people over 50 (actually uncreate their jobs and then create > nearly identical ones because layoffs have special rules). One guy was > desperately needed for a project, so he was the exception. About 15-20 > people were let go, all were over 50. > > What are the odds on this being a coincidence? Next to zero. It was > clearly age discrimination. But, under the Reagan rules, it wasn't provable > because it couldn't be proven in each single case, it could only be proven > statistically. Well, if you go by those rules, you'd stop all advancement in > physics after 1915 or so, because QM is statistical. > From > But, statistical analysis allows one to ask the question and then expect a > reasonable answer. For example, if the position applied for is a professor > of computer science, the fact that, while >10% of the nation is black vs. > only a few percent Asian, there are many more Asians than blacks who have > the basic prerequisites for the job. So, there is a difference between > statistical analysis and quotas. With statistical analysis, there is room > to have basic critera for acceptance. But, it is reasonable to ask why, if > group A and group B both have many applicants that meet the job criteria, > and only one token choice from group B is made, why aren't more from group B > chosen. > > Finally, going back to the hardest question: African-Americans; it is clear > to me that plain vanilla anti-black discrimination is not the main problem > facing African Americans. Neli has found that discrimination is there > (she's been pulled over in a DWB incident), but she finds that the > internalization of the racist stereotypes by African-Americans a much higher > hurdle than simple discrimination. > > The fact that we appear to be on the verge of electing the first > African-American president, and that he has not inherited the legacy of > slavery and Jim Crow supports this contention. Given this, I think the > nation as a whole should look to the military for the means of implementing > affirmative action effectively. From my understanding, goals for diversity > have existed for years in the military, and have been achieved without > sacrificing quality. The military expects all to meet the standards it > sets, and works with young officers to help them meet the requirements to > rise in the ranks. This is the model I think we should use: no quotas, no > lowered standards, but measure diversity and work with underrepresented > groups to help them be successful candidates for higher positions. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
