Speaking for Flyght Club, we use Winter League to coax new students to the outdoors. It's rarely the tour team that plays. Often our winter league teams were either split evenly or based on our student teams and often featured random pickups like Dave Sealy or Alli Smith who are clearly not Flyght Club calibre ;). It wasn't anywhere near the same team that goes to tour. While we do feel that at Nationals we sort of jiggled the knob on the back door of top 16, walked in, grabbed a glass of champagne and mingled unnoticed, if you ask abstract we did put up a good fight to be there.
While I don't agree that considering xWL performance in Tour seedings makes sense I do agree that it doesn't take much to see that Discuits are going to rock this year and possibly should have been dropped straight into top 16. Steve Flyght Club (Backdoor Ultimate) On Mar 31, 2005 8:29 PM, Jon Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BD, > > I am worried that very little effort has been put into the seedings for Tour > 1. > > Why do we base the seedings for Tour 1 on Nationals from the previous year? > Why are they not based on the final tour standings from the previous year or > a combination of the Tour and nationals final standings? Wouldn't > information from 4 or 5 events be a more accurate system to use? > > Also why is it that we refuse to use preseason results when considering > seedings for Tour 1? If you look at the results from various winter leagues > and the charity shield it seems like there are likely some huge mistakes in > the seedings. > > For instance Discuits finished 3rd overall at LWL behind Clapham and Haze > (who as I understand it form the core of EMO for the Tour) and ahead of LTD > and Brighton. They lost every game to Clapham, beat Haze once out of three > split the series against Ltd 2-2 and beat Brighton two or three times. At > the Charity Shield Discuits beat Ltd and Sheffield Steal, finished behind > Brighton but never played them. Doesn't that tell you that Discuits should > be seeded somewhere in the A tour ahead of Steal, near to Ltd and behind > EMO? > > Similarly Flyght Club finished the Midland winter league behind, Boogie > Nights , UTB, and Lord of the ring. So why is it that Flyght Club are seeded > 14th in the A tour while UTB are 17th, Lord of the ring 23rd and Boogie > Nights 47th? > > Why are Fire 2 not seeded higher after their strong performance at Charity > Shield? > > Etc. etc. > > It seems to be that the quirky formats that we use only work well if the > seedings are fairly good. Is it really right that despite finishing 8th in > the tour in 2004 and 4th at charity shield (and ahead of Ltd and Brighton) > that Fire should be seeded 12th and have Clapham 1 as their crossover to > make top 6? Is it really right that there are so many under seeded > potentially teams in the B tour yet only two can get promoted each time? > With unlucky initial seedings it can take several tours for an A tour > calibre team to actually get promoted as they can lose to other A tour > calibre teams in the quarters or semis of the B tour. > > The old tour format never had any problems with promotion and relegation > from the top 16. The entire point of splitting the tour was to allow better > smaller venues to be used for separate events. However since the split every > single A&B tour event has been at the same venue. Given that we still have > these large venues why are do we still have to play the inferior format of > the split A&B tours when we clearly have the pitch time to run the old > format that gives four crossover games into the top 16. > > With a little bit of time and a little bit of imagination we could get > better seedings and use a format that works for all the teams and not just > those in the top 8. Why don't we do it? > > JP > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Adam Batchelor > > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 3:29 PM > > To: britdisc@near.me.uk > > Subject: [BD] Seedings > > > > Hi, > > A couple if the seedings in the B Tour have moved slightly to avoid 1st > > and 2nd teams meeting each other in the first pool round... The > > embarrassment of losing to your second teams we'll leave til later! ;-) > > Cheers > > Adam & Matt > > > > > > Open > > Seedings > > A1 Clapham 1 > > A2 LeedsLeedsLeeds > > A3 Chevron Action Flash > > A4 Fire Of London 1 > > A5 Fusion 1 > > A6 BAF > > A7 Plastic Factory 1 > > A8 Emo > > A9 Clapham 2 > > A10 Brighton Ultimate 1 > > A11 LTD Release 1 > > A12 Fire Of London 2 > > A13 Sheffield Steal 1 > > A14 Flyght Club 1 > > A15 Abstract > > A16 Plastic Factory 2 > > > > B1 UTB 1 > > B2 Discuits 1 > > B3 Paddy Murphy's > > B4 Cardiff Ultimate 1 > > B5 Tenacious devon 1 > > B6 Motion > > B7 Lord Of The Ring 1 > > B8 ABH > > B9 LTD Release 2 > > B10 Sheffield Steal 2 > > B11 BAF 2 > > B12 MMJ > > B13 No-Lo > > B14 Fusion 2 > > B15 Trigger Happy > > B16 York ultimate > > B17 GB Juniors 1 > > B18 GB Juniors 2 > > B19 Lucky Huckers > > B20 UTB 2 > > B21 Shaft > > B22 Strange Blue > > B23 Sublime > > B24 Aye Aye > > B25 Flyght Club 2 > > B26 Schnell > > B27 Discuits 2 > > B28 Lord Of The Ring 2 > > B29 Tenacious devon 2 > > B30 Northern Lights > > B31 Boogie Nights > > B32 Brighton Ultimate 2 > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > BritDisc mailing list > > BritDisc@near.me.uk > > http://zion.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp > > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > BritDisc@near.me.uk > http://zion.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp > __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list BritDisc@near.me.uk http://zion.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp
