Thanks for that Simon. I think you do raise some valuable points for us. I think we weren't good enough. I'm not actually denying that. Hence my comments to Schnell who pummeled us on Sunday morning.
My point was more about the inclusion of international teams. I don't understand the rules or why it happens and think it seems a bit haphazard. It seems the group was stupidly top heavy in my opinion. We could have sorted all this out by beating Seamus but we didn't so the criticism you level at us is correct. I accept that. We are currently discussing this point amongst ourselves. Point is, I still don't get the rules or how this all works. We weren't good enough to get top 8. Not after this weekend's demonstration. But I still think the seedings played a part in how it all worked out. Had we beaten Seamus they would have come a long way to get top 8 and push for promotion (maybe at a later stage) and been disappointed. So someone was likely to be put out by the seeding. Just telling someone "to go away and be better" or some such doesn't really address the issue. It may be true but it does what frisbee (IMO) tends to do and sweep a point under the carpet on the grounds that losers moan. Again I don't really understand the Brit Open thing. I will apologise again for that. Your comments didn't really clear that up. Thanks for trying though. If anyone can help me with the Brit Open thing that'd be grand. Next time I need a motivational speaker I'll contact Simon. I'm new to this sport. I don't know the ins and outs and I don't really care if that's annoying. Can international teams enter any tour and if so what is different about Brit Open and any other tour event. I remember other people out there asking these questions before the event about how it would all work and so it appears there's other half wits out there like me who are confused. God pity us all. I also think no answer was given but I may be wrong (God help me if I am!). All I know is that when we were given the schedule a lot of people on my team were quite shocked at a team like that being seeded where they were. I wasn't. I didn't even know who they were. I am a total frisbee mong me. Luckily I'm not really assed. Off to practise harder on Clapham Common. In the bushes. In a raincoat. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Simon Statham Sent: 31 July 2006 15:46 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [BD] RE: Tour 2 It's not just because you weren't good enough then? You weren't 'stitched up'. If you had been good enough to get into the top 8 then you would have beaten at least one of these teams, I didn't see either of them cruise through all the other teams there. I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) that either of them even got to the final - so you weren't good enough, get over it. Go back, practice harder, get better and then you'll be fine... Dan Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can we not have a really really talented bunch of Ultimate Wizards from Switzerland in our group next time as well please? I'm talking about the B tour. Having worked really hard to prepare for this tour, the Lucky Huckers got a bit stitched up (again) by finding themselves in a group with Seamus Murphy (8th seeds) and Wizards (23rd seed). A veritable group of death. Wizards were clearly a bit useful and it soon transpired that ourselves and Murphy would have to battle it out for 2nd spot and the chance for a crossover into the top 8. Murphy themselves mentioned after our game that it seemed a bit unfair that one team would end up missing out because a team clearly not ranked correctly attended as a guest team. They were just slotted in at 23rd when they were an experienced and capable outfit and so the seedings were laughable. It meant one team would always get shafted. Not particularly through a team improving lots since the last tout but just from obvious bad planning. I imagine this is a difficult problem to overcome if a team only enters one tour a year etc but did Wizards attend because this tour was coupled with Brit Open? I'm new to all this so I don't understand how it works but why invite international teams to a tour event that (I thought) was designed to rank GB (and Ireland) teams before nationals. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't really know. Why not then invite international teams to a separate event to play the best of British (and Irish!) after? Why invite them in the middle? Just seems stupid to me. Wizards were really cool to play against and it's great to get international teams involved but is this the right place to do it? You stitch up any team that gets them in their group. Our weekend was over by Saturday evening really. Ok, so we're only B tour, who cares etc etc but we still went with aims of working our way towards A tour. Yeah we enjoyed the party and our games on Sunday, they were great, but when you set yourselves a goal and it gets taken away from you in this way it kind of takes the motivation out of everyone. So we just got absolutely bulldozered at the party and wondered who picked techno/gabba as party music. ;) Apart from that it was cool. Special mention to Scnell Ja (sp?) who stuck it to us hard Sunday morning. Fair play. See you all at Cardiff. Berry78. Lucky Huckers. (My views only but the rest of the team can't read so they will never know if I said something wrong anyway.) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McLoughlin, Matthew J Sent: 31 July 2006 14:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [BD] RE: Tour 2 Dear Tour 2 organisers Apologies if I am being dumb but would it be possible for you to explain why no facilities for people camping on the Friday night were provided? After walking around the site about 11pm to find a toilet block with others we had to resort to walking to a local pub which was not be ideal for single females to be doing late night on there own - which they were forced to do. I did check with others at the site in case I had missed them however they didn't know where they were either! Also there was the small issue of dog foul on our first pitch on the Saturday. It was the second game on the pitch so obviously the first game somehow managed to avoid it however I would of hoped each pitch would of been checked and cleared by the organising committee - especially as it is specifically mentioned in the UKU pdf on "How to Run a UKU Tour v5". I've never seen this problem before at a tour and was disappointed to see it at this one. I appreciate the work that goes into running tours and commend every single person involved in running them and dedicating their time to allow these events to go ahead however I feel these two are quite basic issues which should and could be easily avoided. Matt __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://mailman.ranulf.net/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/informed.asp --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! 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