But in ultimate there are no punishments for fouls as the rules assume that any infringement is accidental. So it's not really comparable to other sports as there's no trade-off to be made: there's no reason not to foul someone other than the fact that it goes against the spirit of the game. Which is supposed to be reason enough...
Keir Sent from my Nokia phone -----Original Message----- From: Steve G Sent: 18/05/2011 12:50:06 pm To: Steven Hunter Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BD] Physicality in ultimate Hi BD, I think quite a bit of the flexibility in contact comes from the North American side of things. If you watch any NCAA or NBA basketball where non-contact is also a requirement, there are moments in a game where they do intentionally foul a player to let them have two shots from the free throw line rather than allow them to run down the clock, or get a 3 point shot away. Tactical fouls in a non-contact sport are accepted. With this precedent set, it doesn't take long before players from one game translate that mentality to Ultimate. It's not considered the same as lying about something like a disc being up or down or a foot in or out or diving to draw a red card. It's using the rules and accepting the punishments to your advantage. I'm not saying it's great, but it's also not necessarily cheating if you aren't trying avoid the punishment. I think it's a culture thing. If you play in the US or Canada, expect the odd foul on stall 1 or 2 when it has less damaging an effect for the D but has the advantage of stopping flow. Some teams just play that way and that's a different cultural interpretation of how to play the game. Steve On 17 May 2011 22:45, Steven Hunter <[email protected]> wrote: > After reading the email from before talking about physical contact I agree > that whilst running or bidding for a disc there will be acceptable contact. > Also, that if an offensive player runs into a defensive player who is holding > their ground this is fine (assuming that the defensive player hasn't moved > into that position for that purpose) > > However, in recent years I have had numerous occasions where players have > intentionally fouled on the mark and when pulled up on this have admitted it > seeming to think that this is normal and part of the game, using such phrases > as, 'if you want to call a foul, call a foul'. In my opinion this is > cheating, similar to diving in football, an act purely to gain an advantage. > Other examples in ultimate would be calling yourself in when out, claiming to > have caught the disc when it is down etc... > > These other things would never be accepted if people freely admitted them. > > Is it just that I have had a few bad experiences with some unscrupulous > people or is this something that has become accepted in certain sections of > the game. Or is it just my inner hippy. > > Steve > __________________________________________________ > BritDisc mailing list > [email protected] > http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc > Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed > -- ------------------ __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
