I guess people really need to go read the rules. Standing your ground is different to stopping dead, as is slowing up in front of a player. The rule is set to avoid contact from both O and D. in most cases the O player has just as much chance to avoid the contact with the D player as the D has with the O, unfortunately most fouls tend to be called because O believes that they have a right to the disc. Andrew there seems to be a contradiction in your assessment below whereby a stationary person can be at fault in one instance and not in the other. The point you should have said is that contact should not be instigated by either intending to create contact by their movements or by trying to go through people to get the disc (stationary or otherwise). BD conversations are great. But confusion from these clarifications tends to find its way on to the pitch. I really don't want to be called up on a foul by getting my positioning on a disc and holding my ground. Go read the rules people. As andrew has said they are clear. V
From: Andrew Mosedale <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 18 May 2011, 15:01 Subject: Re: [BD] Physicality in ultimate "why is all blame being on the person moving into the person 'standing their ground'?" Because that's the rules. If you stop dead in such a way that makes it impossible for another player to avoid you then sure, you're at fault for causing the contact. But far more often people don't really try to avoid contact, and what's more concerning don't seem to think they have any responsibility to. There's no justification in the rules under 'inviting contact'. There's not meant to be any blame at all, but the game only works if people know the rules. It's very clear (and I believe there are clarifiation scenarios on wfdf to help too). Even if it's after you've caught the disc, if you then make contact with someone who wasn't moving then it's a foul. If you have to give up on the disc to avoid the collision then you give up on the disc - unless you could have avoided them and were just lazy (and risking injury). It's the same kind of judgement call we have to make all the time, and people do make misjudgements which is fine. But others (particularly the more physically robust) seem to have a habit of overestimating their ability to avoid a collision on a regular basis. And as I said before, some aren't even aware what the rules expect of them. And unfortunately having a discussion on britdisc is likely to still be insufficient, but it's a discussion worth having. __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
