Good debate. In my view, if as a defending player you can get your body in the way of an attacker (either by holding your ground or boxing out - subject to playing the disc of course), then that's just great D. If the offence player has to take evasive action, great; if he hits you, that's (arguably) a foul. However I think you need to accept that, by playing D this way, sometimes get clattered by somebody who can't avoid you That said, I do not advocate the scenario of cleaning somebody out with a layout D. I absolutely don't and this is quite clearly dangerous play, regardless of whether you "played the disc". For a football analogy think of a two footed tackle that gets the ball but follows through into the player (Mathieu Flamini in this season's champions league is an example). At the highest level, ultimate is a physcial sport played by athetic, competitve people who will use what attributes they have to get an edge - some contact is inevitable and provided it's not a deliberate and cyncial foul (I detest the whole bumping on the mark thing which was all the rage a couple of years ago) or dangerous play, physicality is part of the game that can be used to your advantage on both offence and defence. Woody (Fire) Not my team's views etc etc --- On Wed, 18/5/11, Andrew Mosedale <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Andrew Mosedale <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BD] Physicality in ultimate To: [email protected] Date: Wednesday, 18 May, 2011, 12:31 Ok, I'm going to contest this: "Also, that if an offensive player runs into a defensive player who is holding their ground this is fine" This is not fine. You should not run into another player. You should do everything possible to avoid the collision. And in my experience it is either beginners who know no better or 'higher ranked players' who should know better that cause most of these fouls. I think the problem is that what would be incidental contact between two players going for the disc quickly becomes a collision between palyers of different levels. Just because someone isn't attacking the disc as hard as you are used to doesn't mean you can clean them out with your awesome layout d*. In general for less experienced players, contact (or the threat thereof - dangerous play foul) is going to have a greater impact on their ability to catch the disc making it no longer incidental. What is an allowable or fair level of contact varies depending on the players involved, and that's a big part of what makes Ultimate such a great game that everybody can play on the same field, whatever their ability. At the moment, different people are taught different ways, and there are definitely teams where people call their own fouls (however competitive the level) and teams where they say "I wouldn't have contested if you'd called it". I know which team I want to play against. * I know many more extremely good players who are extraordinarily good at avioding contact and still being awesome than those that don't, but it happens. Andy __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed __________________________________________________ BritDisc mailing list [email protected] http://www.fysh.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/britdisc Staying informed - http://www.ukultimate.com/staying-informed
