Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
changing subject...changing thread...

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:32:18 -0500, Mikel King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
Ok that said I was thinking about the cert expirations and here's
something to consider;
Let's say we have the basic universal BSD certs, and some specialized certs.
These would require a recert at the highest level attained once every
two years
1. BSD User
2. BSD Jr Admin
3. BSD Sr Admin
    

Without regard to expiration, what's the purpose of cert #1?

  
I know it sounds like a BS cert but for my company that uses FreeBSD for as much as possible it would be nice to have a secretarial applicant that new the basics, already. Therefore, I tossed that in as a nice to have cert, certainly not a prereq for anything else, I mean you certainly could stage these as successive prerequisite certifications. Let's face it basic user/operator stuff rarely changes so that could have an extremely long lifetime as far as certs go. The same goes for Jr Admin, I doubt that the cert for that will change drastically over the course several years. Even Sr Admin stuff  the basics haven't really change too much, I am still using texts on admin stuff that are easily 8 years old.

The whole reason I drafted this concept was to ultimately reduce the work load drafting up these certs. Since the first block will be slow to change it should require the lowest amount of effort to maintain once established. This should also in turn free up people who are say experts in security or db stuff to maintain these fast paced areas of expertise. This could also help to reduce the duplication of effort and overlap.



  
Specializations that do expire;
1. Advanced Security Admin
2. Advance DB Admin
3. Advanced <INSERT NAME HERE> Admin
    

Having emendations/certs-on-certs *is* a good idea, but only on the
top-level cert. I mean, what would it mean to be a Jr. Admin with an
Advanced Security Admin extension on it?

I have to check this: does CCNA (for example) come with
subspecializations, or only CCIE?
  

No I don't think so, but that is some thing that would set these apart from vendor specific certs. If the jr passes the test why not? Of course this all depends upon how the certs are defined. I am just tossing out one scenario.
 
  
Specialized OS Specific Certification that do not need to expire because
once the track has been closed there will not be any changes made.
1. FreeBSD 4.x Track
2. FreeBSD 5.x Track
3. NetBSD 2.x Track
4. OpenBSD 3.x Track
    

So you could be a "Jr. Sysadmin 4.x certified" or are these completely
separate, with no levels attached (you're "FreeBSD 4.x certified"
without reference to level)?
  
I don't see any reason why not. When I was in the military I held many advance certifications at a jr level. For instance an E4 Electronics Technician could hold a Crypto Cert, that his E10 ETCS supervisor does not. The Senior Chief is clearly a top level cert he certainly gets paid enough, but he doesn't need to be certified on the crypto equipment to manage those who are and work on it daily. Does it mean that he couldn't work on said equipment if the need arose? Of course he could, that's what tech manuals are for.

I am sure we will have discussion from both sides of the fence on this, but I really think that if we take the time to properly normalize the certs then will have achieved something truly note worthy. Either way it is all Dependant upon how we define the certs and the prereqs for each specialization.
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