At 1/22/2007 12:55 PM, you wrote:
>Rick wrote:
> > At 1/22/2007 01:34 AM, you wrote:
> >> At 20:40 2007-01-21, Rick wrote:
> >>> At 1/21/2007 05:19 PM, you wrote:
> >>>> At 12:27 2007-01-21, navid yaghoobi wrote:
> >>>>> Hi
> >>>>> if you want to work with linux its beter to work woth C
> >>>>
> >>>> There is NO excuse for writing ANYTHING in C these days.......none!
> >>>
> >>> I disagree. While it is good to form an opinion and have a favorite
> >>> language, that does not mean other languages are useless.
> >>
> >> C is, and has been useless ever since C++ became standardized. and
> >> I'll say it again, There is NO point in writing anything in C these
> >> days. C++ is simply a better language, period
> >>
> >>> C is, in fact, a very good language. It is often used for writing
> >>> device drivers, for example. Sure, one could also use C++, but C is a
> >>> perfectly acceptable choice.
> >>>
> >>> Victor. Have you opinion but don't degrade the choices of others. It
> >>> isn't necessary.
> >>
> >> I wasn't degrading anyone, and it's NOT an opinion, it's fact
> >
> > No, Victor, your statement is NOT fact. Saying "There is NO excuse for
> > writing ANYTHING in C these days.......none!" is simply not true. Sure,
> > C++ may be a superior language to C but, if one does not know how to
> > program C++ yet they do know how to write code in C, then C is a
> > perfectly acceptable choice.
> > This forum is supposed to help those of us who do not currently know C++
> > and would like to learn. Statements/attitudes like yours make that
> > process more difficult.
> >
> >>> ~Rick
>
>Rick, ignore Victor's rants. But did you know you can use C++ as a
>better C? (Nitpickers: I know it is a terrible association as they are
>two distinct languages.) For instance, in C, you can't do:
>
>int MyFunction(char SomeValue)
>{
>}
>
>int MyFunction(char *SomeValue)
>{
>}
>
>Because both functions have the same name. That's called function
>overloading and it is allowed by a C++ compiler. You don't have to use
>classes/templates to use C++. Little things like that make C++ a better
>language.
>
>Also, I am of the strong _personal opinion_ that the STL components of
>the C++ Standard are wrong (not everyone holds my view). The Standard
>should simply define how code is compiled and leave predefined
>functions, classes, and templates such as the STL out of it. And guess
>what? You don't have to use STL to use C++ either. If STL is confusing
>for you, then don't use it. You can always roll your own, although you
>might be ridiculed by your peers for doing so (reinventing the wheel has
>that tendency).
>
>However, before rolling your own string class, I recommend looking at
>BString:
>
>http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/c-prog/files/Books/
>(Safe C++ Design Principles)
>
>Rick, you seem to have similar feelings about STL as I do (general
>confusion being one of those many feelings). BString and kin and other
>ideas may be exactly what you are looking for. I should have done this
>a LONG time ago and made the book available to c-prog members, but
>hopefully this "change of heart" repairs some of the past damage.
>
>--
>Thomas Hruska
>CubicleSoft President
>Ph: 517-803-4197
Thomas,
Thank you for this reply. It show me this list *can* be productive.
And your offer to supply the book is extremely generous.
Victor has a lot of knowledge to share. I'm sure of that. But his
frustration with those with less knowledge often shows as being
sarcastic and demeaning. It is counter-productive here.
I know there are a lot of posters looking for handouts here. I see it
all the time and it frustrates me immensely. But I simply choose to
ignore the posts and don't reply. Well, mostly. I think I've replied
to a few out of frustration, myself.
I want to learn from here. That is why I read the posts.
Unfortunately, I can't help much as I'm learning C++ myself although
it's my nature to help where I can.
I'll read the book.
Thank you.
~Rick
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