Flirting? There shouldn't be any flirting in contra dancing....


On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, George Mercer <geopmer...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would like to second Dave's comment.  I dance with and talk with a lot of
> newcomers and, especially, young people,  I've been told that some of the
> flirting they've encountered is considered by some as down-right creepy.
>  Many newcomers also feel overwhelmed by the excess twirling and hardcore
> swinging.  Admittedly other newcomers are fine with it.  If you are a
> regular at a dance, you can identify a newcomer in seconds.  Yu can also
> figure out in seconds who is up for a flirt and who is not.  I don't know
> why it so hard for some people to help other dancers rather than overwhelm
> them.  I flirt early and often.  I clown more than most.  With the right
> person I enjoy a vigorous swing (though with the wrong person they hurt my
> back).  And when I was younger I sometimes got carried away.  But Dang!  We
> need to remember that contra is a social dance, not an exhibition.  Thanks,
> George
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Dave Casserly
> <david.j.casse...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Some people are also uncomfortable flirting with people of the opposite
> > gender, as well.  Or people who are older or younger, or who knows what.
>  I
> > don't think choosing dances based on assumptions about who's comfortable
> > flirting with whom makes any sense.  Instead, as callers (and, perhaps
> more
> > importantly as organizers), it's important to foster a community where
> > everybody understands that it's important to respect others' boundaries.
> >  Flirty dances are those where there is an option, not an obligation, to
> > flirt.
> >
> > I don't think people newcomers who are uncomfortable with flirting (or
> with
> > flirting with somebody of the same gender or whatever) are really
> bothered
> > by, say, having to touch somebody by the hand for 5 seconds during an
> > allemande.  If something's making them uncomfortable, it's how the other
> > person doing that allemande chooses to behave that does so, not the
> dance's
> > choreography.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Janet Bertog <ja...@bertog.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Some people are uncomfortable being forced to flirt with a person of
> the
> > > same sex.  Some people are not uncomfortable.  Those people who are not
> > > uncomfortable are free to dance with same sex partners if they choose,
> > but
> > > it is their choice.  Forcing people into a situation where they are
> > > uncomfortable makes them stressed and unhappy, which can translate to
> the
> > > people around them and increase the overall general stress of the room.
> >  If
> > > you are in a gender-free dance then the assumption is that you will be
> > > dancing with whoever, but most dances are not gender free.
> > >
> > > Janet
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: callers-boun...@sharedweight.net
> > > [mailto:callers-boun...@sharedweight.net] On Behalf Of Aahz Maruch
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:43 AM
> > > To: Caller's discussion list
> > > Subject: Re: [Callers] Suggestions for particularly flirty contra
> dances?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 03, 2013, Janet Bertog wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In my experience these dances increase the stress level, I would
> > > > recommend against calling them.
> > >
> > > Could you expand on that?
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