--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Amir Kolsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Two questions. > > 1. Why does it say: 'Non-Profit'?
It needs to be some form of employee-ownership with no ownership rights for anyone who is not making a ground level contribution. Othewise you simply have another consultancy and contracting firm. Common stock represents an ownership right that is severable from the original holder. In other words, it can be bought out, traded, is subject to hostile takeovers and too many other things that have nothing to do with making a living by providing a service. I'm not at all interested in that. > 2. Assuming the above is a mistake: what is the business model you envision? It's not a mistake from my viewpoint. As the OP said, the business model is something that needs to be discussed, and I for one am not entirely clear on the options availible. John Roth > > Amir Kolsky > XP& Software > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: jhrothjr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 5:19 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [XP] An Employee Owned XP Enterprise? > > > > > > > >--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Victor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >wrote: > >> There has been some ranting in this forum about the economic > >situation of > >> software services. > >> Is there anything we can actually do about it? > >> > >> The software services industry is making quite a bundle out of us. > >If you > >> cannot beat them, join them. I would like to see a show of hands. > >How many > >> people would be ready to actively create/join an employee owned > >> not-for-profit corporation. The earnings would be partially invested > >> in expansion, partially in benefits, and what is left distributed to > >> the membership according to some criteria to be developed. > >> > >> We would need a CEO, a CFO, a good lawyer, and an excelent marketing > >person. > >> The opertion would be based as much as possible on XP > >principles, like > >> simplicity, opennes, and cooperation. > >> > >> It will be a learning experience, and we will make errors, but we > >will not > >> be the first ones, and we know that it can be done. > >> > >> Because this is a first call, it's purposly generic. The details > >will be > >> elaborated by those interested in participating. > >> > >> At this point in time I am only interested in finding out > >the measure > >> of interest in following up with the idea. If there is enough > >interest, we can > >> then discuss the details. Yet, I would like to stress that > >one of the > >> central conditions of success is to find a good marketing person > >> that's comfortable with the idea. As a population (with a > >few notable > >exceptions), > >> we developers are known for not being especially good in marketing, > >or as > >> entrepeneurs. So, this is an aspect that has to be taken > >very seriously. > >> > >> Victor > > > >Sounds like a good idea. > >Color me interested. > > > >John Roth > > > > > > > > > > > >To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.com > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ad-free courtesy of objectmentor.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
