Hi jENELLE,
Exactly, you got the point. Accounting is really complex and if you try to
cover all the common requirements of a hospital you will have an ERP system.
My idea was to cover all these requirements by a other product and just
implement interfaces. These interfaces could be either standardized XML
messages or a transfer table.. but the foreign ERP system should be able
to read it.
This idea comes up by visiting a hospital in east Africa. The main stock is
different from the hospital stock and the work of this main stock is more
and less an administrative layer. On the same layer you will find also the
accounting with all these accounts for salary, purchasers and much more of
accounting tasks.
Idea was to focus the care2x development to the work on the hospital itself
and outsource the accounting to products what is made for. But we also
integrated a invoice system, just for the common daily work with
outpatients. So there will be always cash flow, even when there is a
parallel working ERP system at backend.
We started to integrate this part of stock and accounting and recognized
that this is really hard work, hard work still done by e.g. webERP what
could be easily adapt to care2x because it is based on apache, php and
mysql.
Robert
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. Juli 2007 13:19
An: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x and SimpleInvoice Integration
Hi Robert,
I've been checking out WebErp and it seems that its quite complicated
indeed.
But this is what we have in mind, complete the billing module for Care2x
(including billing capabilities for pertinent pharmacy, billing dept,
laboratory, diagnostics, etc.), then start interfacing WebErp from there? I
think WebERP does not need to be 'aware' of everything Care2x does, i think
it just needs to be aware of the financial data generated by the relevant
departments and modules?
Thanks,
jENELLE
On 7/3/07, Robert Meggle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
We also integrated an invoice system. It is not kissed by css or AJAX, it is
more focused on functional design.
But the handling could be difficult. When there is a invoice system in my
eyes, there should be a minimum of paper and double work. All information
what should be shown in a invoice are still in the system and there is no
reason that the billing officer has do to double work by selecting the
correct patient or selecting the items what should be paid.
We decided to integrate it on one more abstraction layer: Who can say that
the patient can afford it, which makes the guarantee that there is no
patient running away without paying. So there should be also a tiny
accounting system who should point the payment to "self pay", "insured" and
some more accounts.
That is for this time running well, accounting is quite more abstract. Also
we thought to integrate another third party product what covers all these
accounting and stock issues. We focused now webERP as a possible solution
for that.
We should also know that the requirements of accounting almost different.
And when there is a software integration on a European hospital a typically
competitor to care2x is Siemens or SAP.
There is almost a quite small frontier between the software for hospital's
work and for stock and accounting.
I think first of all we need a list of requirements what we should agree
that this software should fulfil. When we are starting at the most difficult
part, accounting, we have all focused to us it is the most interesting
part for hospitals. What do you think of redesign of existing care2x and
bringing up some interfaces to different accounting systems?
Robert
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Hohnerstrasse 6
89079 Ulm
Germany
Tel: +49(0)7 31- 1 75 97- 27
Fax: +49(0)7 31- 1 75 97- 25
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Gesendet: Montag, 2. Juli 2007 17:57
An: care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: Re: [Care2002-developers] Care2x and SimpleInvoice Integration
Hi Robert,
I think that dropdown on the customers will also become troublesome when you
have more than a couple of entries. Bala, would it be possible to create a
search field for it instead? Another question Bala, how do we go about
adding more than 4 items into a bill?
I have thought of integrating another open source project for the billing
side but your's looks way much better. I was thinking of integrating PHPPOS
into Care2x. I have been using it for sometime now and it looks promising. I
still have to find a way to make it pull appropriate data such as
customers=patients, etc. It think it would be able to handle billing for
pharmaceutical items too since it has a nice inventory system and reporting
too.
Any suggestions Robert?
Thanks,
jENELLE
On 7/2/07, Robert Meggle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Bala,
I've just checked your billing system of your demo. First of all:
Congratulations for your really nice looking front end and the courage of
using AJAX in such sensible part of the system :-) ! That's really
amazing...I have just some questions to your workflow:
In the drop down list of "Customer Name"... e.g. we have 40.000 registered
patients. Does it is not really heavy to use in that way? (We choose a quite
more simple way: When there is a patient got any service of the hospital
(prescription, registration fee, xray...), he will be shown in a list. That
is a kind of quotation list for all these patients got any service, even
when there are now discharged - out of that kind of quotation you could make
an invoice.
When we merge the workflow and the nice front end maybe that could be a
really nice system at the end... what do you think?
Robert
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Tel: +49(0)7 31- 1 75 97- 27
Fax: +49(0)7 31- 1 75 97- 25
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> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:care2002-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Bala Subramaniam
> Gesendet: Montag, 2. Juli 2007 17:14
> An: Care2002 developers
> Betreff: [Care2002-developers] Care2x and SimpleInvoice Integration
>
> Hi Carers,
>
> If i may, i would like to take this opportunity to
> share with you all certain details pertaining to
> Care2x billing module.
>
> I have been able to integrate care2x with
> SimpleInvoice (another open source project at
> http://www.simpleinvoices.org/). I would also like to
> place my appreciation and special thanks to the
> simpleinvoices team and more specifically to
> Mr.Nicolas Ruflin and Justin. Their contact details
> are given below for your reference and you could feel
> free to contact them for any other queries related to
> SimpleInvoice.
>
> Mr.Nicolas Ruflin
> Riehenring 191a
> 4058 Basel
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.ruflin.com/
>
> Mr. Justin
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> This is a very simple integration and in my opinion is
> a very good replacement to ecombill. If you are
> interested, please take a look at the demo at
> www.softants.com/his (userid:demo, pwd:pass).
>
> I am just in the process of putting together a very
> simple documentation and shall be ready by the
> week-end to post the same. Once when that is ready, i
> could post the source code and the documentation to
> this forum or as per the advise of the moderator.
>
> Care2x is a great project and i am committed to
> contribute much more than the current one. A brief on
> my agenda...
>
> 1. I am exploring to rework the Lab module to
> something similar to Bika Labs which is ISO 17025
> ready. I could not integrate Bika Labs since it is
> under Plone/Zope.
>
> 2. I am exploring options to include a dicom viewer
> which has an inbuilt ecgviewer.
>
> 3. I have a data model for pharmacy which i am
> planning to incorporate within care2x which includes
> billing of its own.
>
> 4. I have been following discussions on the new
> generation of care2x and in my opinion considering
> rubyonrails and spring framework would be worth the
> while.
>
> I would also like to place my special thanks to the
> community for the initiatives and more specifically to
> Elpidio Latorilla for intitiating this project in the
> first place.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>
>
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