Wouldn't that have been easier than to run a thread with 28 posts? If no one had somthing written down in a notebook, ( i.e. UNcopyrighted material), wouldn't "You could buy a set from US Sailing." have been simpler?
Not to sound ungrateful, because everyone has been great and generous with their advise, but I think we might have gotten off track on this post once or twice. Regardless, Thank you all. Steve Bayless #3491 "Liebchen" Port Huron, MI On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 2:11 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As someone who has, twice within the last 2 weeks, had to admonish 2 > separate parties for using my photographs without permission (and w/o > crediting), I support asking Steve to go to the US Ailing website and > asking US Ailing to sell him a copy! > > Thanks for the clarification!!! > > tf > > > > TF, > > > > C27 Polars are readily available from US Sail. They come somewhat > > personalized and copyrighted with explicit instructions they cannot be > > duplicated. I have a set and have made a couple attempts with US Sail to > > get > > permission to share them to no avail. I could ignore this and proceed > > anyway > > but I'd be eating into a US Sail revenue stream which is inconstant with > > my > > support of US Sail. > > > > Phil Agur s/v Wing Tip > > Secretary, C270 LE #184 > > IC27/270A MMSI 366901790 > > www.catalina27.org Vessel Doc# 1039809 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:15 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: catalina27-talk: Target speeds > > > > Wow, we have been dancing around that one, Steve. In all honesty, > > I dont remember ever seeing polars for the C27....but I have a > notoriously > > bad memory. > > > > One thing about polars, at least the ones for some boats, is that they > are > > copyrighted and not for duplication unless a fee is paid...I dont know if > > that's true for the C27 or not (but I can name a bunch of boats for which > > is true!). > > > > Phil would know if they exist...also, it's possible that Carl S. had them > > on his website way back when...I can check with Carl. > > > > BACK to the "targets" discussion, here is Dave Ullman's take on using > > them, after he won the Melges 24 Worlds in 2007: > > > > "I'm a huge believer in sailing by the speedo and following my target > > numbers. Without the speedo you're going to sail around three- or > > four-tenths too slow all the time. Our target range is 5.8 to 6.0, so > > let's say I'm sailing along and my target at the moment is 5.8. If I'm > > sailing at 5.4, all I do is let the sheet out 2 inches and within 10 > > seconds I'll be sailing at 5.8 again. You couldn't possibly do that > > without a speedo. > > > > The key is you want to go as high as you can while keeping to that target > > range. The goal is to steer the least amount possible. Just make the boat > > go absolutely straight until you see a wave you can't get through. If you > > have to go around a wave, look for the flattest place in the area and > sail > > through that." > > > > This (above) was taken off SW's website under an article: > > > http://www.sailingworld.com/from-the-experts/winners-debriefs/dave-ullman-me > > lges-24-worlds-52932.html > > > > I'll get back to ya after checking with Carl. > > > > tf > > > > > >> But again.... > >> > >> Anyone have any of these target speeds and/or polar charts available to > >> them? That was my original question. At this point, it appears that I'm > >> SOL. > >> > >> Steve Bayless > >> #3491 "Liebchen" > >> Port Huron, MI > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:31 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> hence my use of the words "mythical" and "targets" > >>> > >>> you should read Dave Ullman on targets if you think they are not > >>> useful! > >>> Literally > >>> every big boat program I've sailed on uses them and I think the results > >>> speak for > >>> themselves! > >>> > >>> tf > >>> > >>> > >>> > If you sail the boat to > >>> > match polars you will not win many races. He did say that the pro > >>> sailors > >>> > sail to maybe 95% potential. > >>> > > >>> > Joe McCary > >>> > Aeolus II, West River, MD #4795 > >>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > On Behalf Of tim ford > >>> > > >>> > I think 90% of handicap racing is making the boat go as close to 100% > >>> > optimum speed as close to 100% of the time as possible. Having > >>> > targets and constantly trying to sail to them is vital toward getting > >>> to > >>> > that mythical 100/100 quotient....something only Terry Hutchinson > >>> > seems capable of doing, these days.... > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > >>> > signature > >>> > database 3615 (20081115) __________ > >>> > > >>> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >>> > > >>> > http://www.eset.com > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/porthuronfreecycle/ > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/porthuronfreecycle/
