I am subscribed: I made the list. We're both board directors too. Changes to the tos should come from legal counsel, and the board
On Mar 1, 2013, at 6:47 AM, "M.-A. Lemburg" <m...@egenix.com> wrote: > On 01.03.2013 12:30, Jesse Noller wrote: >> Marc Andre: I'm cc'ing Van: can you explain why the pypi terms are a bummer >> so we can see if there is actually an issue to be resolved or a matter of >> taste? >> >> We need to protect the foundation while preserving author rights - but I >> don't want one user / subset dictating how we evolve the technology. > > I think we should move this discussion to the python-legal-sig list: > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-legal-sig > > Let me know when you've subscribed and then we can hash things > out on that list. The catalog sig is not really the suitable > place for these discussions. > >> Jesse >> >> On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:24 AM, "M.-A. Lemburg" <m...@egenix.com> wrote: >> >>> On 01.03.2013 10:02, Reinout van Rees wrote: >>>> On 28-02-13 21:08, holger krekel wrote: >>>>>> I have seen that position in this discussion ("I have to upload 120 >>>>>>> files per release, so I won't do that", for instance). >>>> >>>>> haven't seen that. >>>> >>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg said this, which I took to mean 120 uploads per release: >>>> >>>> """ >>>> However, taking our egenix-mx-base package as example, we have >>>> 120 distribution files for every single release. Uploading those >>>> to PyPI would not only take long, but also ... >>>> """ >>> >>> Correct, with a total of over 100MB per release. However, the above >>> quote is slightly incorrect: I did not say "I won't do that", just >>> that there are issues with doing this: >>> >>> * It currently takes too long uploading that many files to >>> PyPI. This causes a problem, since in order to start the upload, >>> we have to register the release on PyPI, which tools will then >>> immediately find. However, during the upload time, they won't >>> necessarily find the right files to download and then fail. >>> >>> The proposed pull mechanism (see >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyPI/DownloadMetaDataProposal) >>> would work around this problem: tools would simply go to >>> our servers in case they can't find the files on PyPI. >>> >>> * PyPI doesn't allow us to upload two egg files with the same >>> name: we have to provide egg files for UCS2 Python builds and >>> UCS4 Python builds, since easy_install/setuptools/pip don't >>> differentiate between the two variants. This is the main >>> reason why we're hosting our own PyPI-style indexes, one for >>> UCS2 and the other for UCS4 builds: >>> https://downloads.egenix.com/python/index/ucs2/ >>> https://downloads.egenix.com/python/index/ucs4/ >>> >>> * I'm not sure whether we want to import our crypto packages >>> to the US, so for a subset of the files, we'd probably >>> continue to use our servers in Germany. >>> >>> Again, with the above proposal, this shouldn't be a problem. >>> >>> * Ihe PyPI terms are a bummer for us, but this can be fixed, >>> I guess. >>> >>> If we can resolve the issues, we'd have no problem having the >>> files mirrored on PyPI. >>> >>> -- >>> Marc-Andre Lemburg >>> eGenix.com >>> >>> Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 01 2013) >>>>>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>>>>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>>>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: >>> >>> eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 >>> D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg >>> Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 >>> http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Catalog-SIG mailing list >>> Catalog-SIG@python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Mar 01 2013) >>>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: > > eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg > Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 > http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ _______________________________________________ Catalog-SIG mailing list Catalog-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig