Hi Carlos,

As someone else has said, what is important is what you think. I want to
correct some misperceptions and I am sure you will will feel and think that
you can pass it.

First, it is worth passing it, not only because there could be better income
for you in the future (it may not apply to you but who knows), but better
because once you pass it you are going to feel like a champ. You'll walk 2
feet above ground.

They have reduced the hours for configuration but they have also reduced the
tasks that need to be done, therefore the problem is not there.

There have been some issues reported with the elimination for the book
(everything is screen based, and it sucks) but it is just a matter of getting
used to it through practice and some *strategy*, like, draw on paper your own
configuration (practice, practice, practice).

The orientation of the test has changed somewhat with the additions of
troubleshooting and the OEQ (I believe these OEQ section was a desperate
reaction from the proctors for what seemed like an unusual number of people
passing the test.) I have read somewhere that the purpose of the changes in
R&S v4 is to align the test with what network engineers are doing these days
in the field. Do customers ask Open Ended Questions? Nah, that is why I think
this was a desperate reaction from the proctors. 

Unfortunately for the time being the OEQ are there and they (the proctors)
will either swallow their pride and put those 30 minutes to better use, or we
will simply have to learn to be good at Cisco Trivia Pursuit (CTP). Most
probably, the second option. ;-) So, let's get good at CTP.

The troubleshooting section is more in line with what we have to do day to
day, either because of self-inflicted wounds of because someone else
fatfingered something somewhere or poorly designed a project. Regardless of
the cause we need to jump in and 'take care of business'.

In the end it is a challenge, I am sure you are up to it, just have a drink,
sleep it over and tomorrow you will say, 'Yes, I can!' (I know, every now and
then I feel miserable, but great after a good night sleep).

See you at the finish line.


------ Original Message ------
Received: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:30:47 PM EST
From: Carlos Valero <[email protected]>
To: Mustafa Yadav <[email protected]>,    Joe Astorino
<[email protected]>Cc: [email protected], sebastan bach
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] CCIE R&S or SP which would be better

But you really think that the new exam can be passed?
 
I know you are goint to say "yes"
 
But where is the proof?
 
Who has passed yet?  No one I think!
 
I guess that's a proof that Cisco went way over the top!
 
Reducing the time available for the exam to only 6 hours
and then giving you just a few minutes to solve all those
"imaginary" Troubleshooting problems, makes it more than discouraging!
 


--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Joe Astorino <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Joe Astorino <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] CCIE R&S or SP which would be better
To: "Mustafa Yadav" <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected], "sebastan bach" <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:00 AM


Guys,

You have to go with where your passion is, not what is the easier road : ) 
If you are working in an SP environment or you find those technologies to be
your passion than do SP.  If you are more into R&S in an enterprise network
then go R&S.  R&S will give you more updated technologies and what I believe
to be a broader scope of technology but that it not to say that it is "better"
or "worse" than any other track.  My advice stands -- Follow your passion and
if you work hard things will take care of themselves.


On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Mustafa Yadav <[email protected]>
wrote:

I am confused as well.Since new RS exam is getting harder to pass.But
SP is still passable .It seems SP is a little bitr easier than SP and
topics in SP much more popular.

On the other hand finding docs,labs in RS track is easier than everything.






On 12/29/09, sebastan bach <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is my first post in this mailing list.
>
> I already have ccie security cert with me I am planning for a dual but not
> sure. I would require advise from people in this forum. I am little
confused
> about which track to pursue CCIE R&S or SP.The confusion is basically
> because of MPLS being added to R&S track. and since SP track covers all
> routing, advance routing and plus mpls in complete detail and there is
> little investment required  as we can do all labs in dynamips as of now..
but
> not sure if in my journey suddenly cisco changes the lab equipment to
> gsr/asr routers.
>
> With R&S i would require a good investment with regards to switches. I am
> really not sure and i am really confused.
>
> Guys please send out ur opinions it would surely help me a lot.
>
> Regards
>
> Sebastan
>
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