Vik, A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not just Voice.
Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no sense whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do something completely rubbish. With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted labs until Feb 2014. At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams so they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. I will take some months for us to digest this news. Thanks On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com> wrote: > As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say > about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a lack > of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or it > Marketing bullying the content team? > > At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who can't > spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? > > Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid > check and balance. > > It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a > valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as we > all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't condone > the means through which that is possible). > > When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two > things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward and > secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense > cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test that > is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration expert would > (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience from a > wider spectrum of vendors. > > Rant over. > > On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem <heshamcentr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. > Ok let me tell you this. > People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice that > includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , travel > expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) > So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would be > considered old and grandfathered. > Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning > to abolish the whole syllabus. > Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything > especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. > > CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab > test. > CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional > tests. > CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. > In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice people > to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make just a > migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee > something like $500. > > Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP people > usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate to > new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an upgrade > track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. > > > Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair retiring > the whole cisco voice totally. > Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K to > buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and etc.. > Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the > equipment would be way more expensive. > > Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice study > group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share your thoughts > guys > > > On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> wrote: > >> Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to >> Collaboration without any additional lab exams. >> >> On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com> wrote: >> >> > For my initial reaction read here: >> > >> > http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >> > >> > >> > Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 >> > Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >> > >> > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420 >> > Fax: +1.810.454.0130 >> > Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> please visit www.ipexpert.com >> > >> > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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