Yeah, it is kind of ironic that the collaboration feature is disabled in a collaborative community article on the IE Collaboration cert.
BTW, the twitter handle you can use to get the message to a broader audience is @LearningAtCisco. I think it is a good idea to direct messages to these folks. Of course I recommend being polite. -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: > I thought so too. I could see if it was getting obnoxious but all of the > comments were pretty professional. > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:12 PM, William Bell <b...@ucguerrilla.com> wrote: > They did disable commenting. That's interesting. > > > -- > William Bell, CCIE #38914 > blog: http://ucguerrilla.com > twitter: @ucguerrilla > > > > > On May 29, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: > >> Is it just me or did they disable commenting on the v4 lab topics post? >> >> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804 >> >> I wanted to commend William Bell on hitting the nail on the head and put my >> own 2 cents in. I'm able to place a comment in the equipment list post >> here: https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804 but not the other. >> >> Does anyone have comment options on the exam topics page? >> >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Rrcrumm <rrcr...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Ben Ng comes to mind >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Leslie Meade <leslie.me...@lvs1.com> wrote: >> >> > The question is... what if anything can we do ? >> > Where would we start.. >> > >> > >> > >> > -------- Original message -------- >> > From: Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> >> > Date: >> > To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> >> > Cc: OSL Group <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>,Vik Malhi >> > <vma...@ipexpert.com> >> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced >> > >> > >> > Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain >> > CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and >> > Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it >> > all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of >> > the new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is >> > still there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of >> > current products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. >> > >> > In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over >> > again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the two. >> > >> > >> > >> > On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake >> > <whl...@gmail.com<mailto:whl...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they >> > retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or >> > lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. >> > >> > That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the first >> > from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have >> > several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so >> > we would want official confirmation. >> > >> > https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_tracks >> > Retired CCIE tracks >> > >> > Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. >> > These are: >> > >> > * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the >> > IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the >> > StrataCom<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom> acquisition) >> > * ISP Dial CCIE >> > * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) >> > * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different >> > design tests in format and subjects examined) >> > >> > People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, >> > provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the >> > title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. >> > >> > So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE >> > if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have >> > already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that >> > have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > >> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george >> > <m.george00...@gmail.com<mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > Vik, >> > >> > A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is >> > still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. >> > If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not >> > just Voice. >> > >> > Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration >> > or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this >> > retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old >> > days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on >> > windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no sense >> > whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why >> > can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do something >> > completely rubbish. >> > >> > With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in >> > Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted labs >> > until Feb 2014. >> > >> > At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this >> > decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions >> > forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams >> > so they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. >> > >> > I will take some months for us to digest this news. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi >> > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >> > As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say >> > about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a >> > lack of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or >> > it Marketing bullying the content team? >> > >> > At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who can't >> > spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? >> > >> > Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid >> > check and balance. >> > >> > It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a >> > valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as we >> > all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't condone >> > the means through which that is possible). >> > >> > When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two >> > things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward and >> > secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense >> > cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test >> > that is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration expert >> > would (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience from >> > a wider spectrum of vendors. >> > >> > Rant over. >> > >> > On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem >> > <heshamcentr...@gmail.com<mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> > >> > Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. >> > Ok let me tell you this. >> > People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice that >> > includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , >> > travel expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) >> > So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would be >> > considered old and grandfathered. >> > Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning >> > to abolish the whole syllabus. >> > Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything >> > especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. >> > >> > CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab >> > test. >> > CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional >> > tests. >> > CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. >> > In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice people >> > to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make just a >> > migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee >> > something like $500. >> > >> > Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP people >> > usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate to >> > new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an upgrade >> > track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. >> > >> > >> > Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair retiring >> > the whole cisco voice totally. >> > Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K to >> > buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and etc.. >> > Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the >> > equipment would be way more expensive. >> > >> > Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice study >> > group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share your >> > thoughts guys >> > [X] >> > >> > >> > On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway >> > <m...@markholloway.com<mailto:m...@markholloway.com>> wrote: >> > Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to >> > Collaboration without any additional lab exams. >> > >> > On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi >> > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >> > >> >> For my initial reaction read here: >> >> >> >> http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >> >> >> >> >> >> Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 >> >> Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >> >> >> >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420<tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420> >> >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130<tel:%2B1.810.454.0130> >> >> Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> >> visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> >> >> >> >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >> >> www.PlatinumPlacement.com<http://www.platinumplacement.com/> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> > visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> >> > >> > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >> > www.PlatinumPlacement.com<http://www.platinumplacement.com/> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> > visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> >> > >> > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >> > www.PlatinumPlacement.com<http://www.platinumplacement.com/> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> > visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> >> > >> > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >> > www.PlatinumPlacement.com<http://www.platinumplacement.com/> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> > visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com> >> > >> > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >> > www.PlatinumPlacement.com<http://www.PlatinumPlacement.com> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> > visit www.ipexpert.com >> > >> > Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >> > www.PlatinumPlacement.com >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >> www.PlatinumPlacement.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out >> www.PlatinumPlacement.com > >
_______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out www.PlatinumPlacement.com
