Yea I just looked at that... wow disappointing all around... Leslie Meade
.................................................................. Mobile:778.228.4339 | Main: 604.676.5239 Email: leslie.me...@lvs1.com<mailto:leslie.me...@lvs1.com> From: ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com [mailto:ccie_voice-boun...@onlinestudylist.com] On Behalf Of William Bell Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 1:12 PM To: Martin Sloan Cc: ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com; vma...@ipexpert.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced They did disable commenting. That's interesting. -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: Is it just me or did they disable commenting on the v4 lab topics post? https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804 I wanted to commend William Bell on hitting the nail on the head and put my own 2 cents in. I'm able to place a comment in the equipment list post here: https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804 but not the other. Does anyone have comment options on the exam topics page? On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Rrcrumm <rrcr...@yahoo.com<mailto:rrcr...@yahoo.com>> wrote: Ben Ng comes to mind On May 29, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Leslie Meade <leslie.me...@lvs1.com<mailto:leslie.me...@lvs1.com>> wrote: > The question is... what if anything can we do ? > Where would we start.. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com<mailto:m...@markholloway.com>> > Date: > To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com<mailto:whl...@gmail.com>> > Cc: OSL Group > <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com<mailto:ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>>,Vik > Malhi <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced > > > Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain > CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and > Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it all > falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of the new > CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is still > there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of current > products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. > > In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over > again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the two. > > > > On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake > <whl...@gmail.com<mailto:whl...@gmail.com><mailto:whl...@gmail.com<mailto:whl...@gmail.com>>> > wrote: > > Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they retire > your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or lab. If > this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. > > That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the first > from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have several > others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so we would > want official confirmation. > > https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_tracks > Retired CCIE tracks > > Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. > These are: > > * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the IGX/BPX > switch products, which had been acquired as part of the > StrataCom<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom> acquisition) > * ISP Dial CCIE > * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) > * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different > design tests in format and subjects examined) > > People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, provided > they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the title "CCIE", > rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. > > So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE if > you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have already > passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that have yet to > pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. > > Bill > > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george > <m.george00...@gmail.com<mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com><mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com<mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com>>> > wrote: > Vik, > > A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is > still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. If > Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not just > Voice. > > Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration or > Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this retiring > thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old days of Call > Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on windows, Analog > endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no sense whatsoever whether > be it from marketing point of view or any other. Why can't big buck makers > at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do something completely rubbish. > > With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in > Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted labs > until Feb 2014. > > At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this decision. > I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions forward on > Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams so they > "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. > > I will take some months for us to digest this news. > > Thanks > > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com><mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>>> > wrote: > As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say about > this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a lack of > Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or it > Marketing bullying the content team? > > At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who can't > spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? > > Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid > check and balance. > > It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a valid > means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as we all know > a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't condone the means > through which that is possible). > > When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two > things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward and > secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal sense > cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time test that > is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration expert would > (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and experience from a wider > spectrum of vendors. > > Rant over. > > On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem > <heshamcentr...@gmail.com<mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com><mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com<mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com>>> > wrote: > > Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. > Ok let me tell you this. > People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice that > includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , travel > expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) > So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would be > considered old and grandfathered. > Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning to > abolish the whole syllabus. > Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything > especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. > > CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab test. > CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional tests. > CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. > In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice people to > make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make just a > migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee > something like $500. > > Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP people > usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate to new > MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an upgrade track > rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. > > > Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It<http://that.It>'s really > unfair retiring the whole cisco voice totally. > Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K to buy > telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and etc.. > Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the equipment > would be way more expensive. > > Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice study > group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share your thoughts > guys > [X] > > > On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway > <m...@markholloway.com<mailto:m...@markholloway.com><mailto:m...@markholloway.com<mailto:m...@markholloway.com>>> > wrote: > Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to > Collaboration without any additional lab exams. > > On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com><mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>>> > wrote: > >> For my initial reaction read here: >> >> http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >> >> >> Vik Malhi - CCIE #13890 >> Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >> >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext >> 420<tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420><tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420> >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130<tel:%2B1.810.454.0130><tel:%2B1.810.454.0130> >> Mailto: >> vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com><mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/><http://www.ipexpert.com/> >> >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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