In medical school, I found out that there could be a large population in a class which was completely lost or completely disagreed with what was being said, but there was only silence. When the lecturer would pose a question, it would take a painful silence before anyone in the 100+ student class would hazard an answer (one can only speculate why this was, but so be it.) Even a yes-no show of hands would yield only ~10% participation. Too much commitment? Anyway, the solution for many lecturers was to pass out "clickers," which allowed the vote anonymously for a given answer in a multiple choice question. Here we have Ed's version of clickers for the ccp4bb. The problem is that clickers are not very articulate--they just click!
I fully agree that those who disagree should articulate their opinions--maybe subscribe anonymously if necessary? I don't like it that people are so stymied, but this seems to be the way things are, so the question is how to work with it. Jacob On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Gerard Bricogne <g...@globalphasing.com> wrote: > Dear Jacob, > > I agree, of course, with the goal of giving everyone a voice, but > knowing that 40% of the voters find storing images a waste of time falls > short of knowing why they think so and taking their arguments into account. > Disagreeing without saying why when a topic is being actively discussed is a > position that does not contribute anything very constructive. > > I think there should be an extra category of answer that would be > "I don't care", so that people who have no opinion do not get confused with > those who have an articulate position against the proposal, and wh should > then articulate it! > > > With best wishes, > > Gerard. > > -- > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:30:20AM -0500, Jacob Keller wrote: >> One thing that the poll is useful for is something I find surprising: >> ~40% when I checked found storing images a waste of time. So, I guess >> this might be useful for finding the "silent [significant] minority." >> Why not have those folks chime in about why they think this is >> useless, even to store images of solved datasets? >> >> JPK >> >> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Gerard Bricogne >> <g...@globalphasing.com> wrote: >> > Dear Ed, >> > >> > I am really puzzled by this initiative. It assumes that there is a >> > pre-formed "collective opinion" out there, independent from and unaffected >> > by the exchanges of views that have taken place on this BB, that would be >> > worth more than the conclusions we might reach by pursuing these exchanges. >> > >> > The thread you are obviously deciding to dissociate yourself from was >> > initiated in response to a suggestion that views on this topic would >> > usefully be aired publicly on this BB rather than posted off-list to Tom >> > Terwilliger, who immediately agreed that this was a good idea and has been >> > very supportive of this discussion. >> > >> > Shouldn't we continue to try and put our heads together to reach a >> > consensus, rather than collect opinions that may be little more than prior >> > prejudices? >> > >> > What shall we gain by such a vote? I may be misunderstanding what you >> > have in mind, of course :-) . >> > >> > >> > With best wishes, >> > >> > Gerard. >> > >> > -- >> > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 12:08:24PM -0400, Ed Pozharski wrote: >> >> I am curious as to what the collective opinion on the raw data >> >> deposition actually is across the cross-section of the macromolecular >> >> crystallography community subscribed to the bb. So, if you have a >> >> second and a formed opinion on the idea of the depositions of the raw >> >> data, please vote here >> >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/3qlwwsh >> >> >> >> I'll post the results as soon as they look settled. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Ed. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> "Hurry up before we all come back to our senses!" >> >> Julian, King of Lemurs >> > >> > -- >> > >> > =============================================================== >> > * * >> > * Gerard Bricogne g...@globalphasing.com * >> > * * >> > * Global Phasing Ltd. * >> > * Sheraton House, Castle Park Tel: +44-(0)1223-353033 * >> > * Cambridge CB3 0AX, UK Fax: +44-(0)1223-366889 * >> > * * >> > =============================================================== >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> ******************************************* >> Jacob Pearson Keller >> Northwestern University >> Medical Scientist Training Program >> email: j-kell...@northwestern.edu >> ******************************************* > -- ******************************************* Jacob Pearson Keller Northwestern University Medical Scientist Training Program email: j-kell...@northwestern.edu *******************************************
