That's very sad, but a good point. I may be a bit naive because I haven't had to worry mas uch about direct competition.
However, I do find it very frustrating as a reviewer to try to pass judgement on a crystal structure based only on the standard table 1. Sometimes I'm tempted to write "based on the information presented, darned if I know!" Maybe 3rd-party validation through the pdb (with a report sent to the reviewers) is more appropriate? Phoebe ===================================== Phoebe A. Rice Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology The University of Chicago phone 773 834 1723 http://bmb.bsd.uchicago.edu/Faculty_and_Research/01_Faculty/01_Faculty_Alphabetically.php?faculty_id=123 http://www.rsc.org/shop/books/2008/9780854042722.asp ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 20:00:48 +0200 >From: Maria Sola i Vilarrubias <msv...@ibmb.csic.es> >Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends in Data Fabrication >To: pr...@uchicago.edu >Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk > > Dear Phoebe, > > I cannot imagine myself delivering maps and > coordinates (after years of work... I insist: after > years of work) to a reviewer that could be, for > whatever chance, my best competitor (even if I > suggested to the editor not to include him/her as a > reviewer... but decisions from editors are of all > kind). > > I simply prefer not imagine this after two > publications fuelled by clear, direct and strong > competition. That was stressful enough, already. If > I have to add to this stress the thought that my > coordinates can go to the "wrong" hands, then I > think I would just give up or, alternatively, send > the work to a lower impact, fast-publishing journal > and make my life easier while sending my scientific > future to the low-impact bin, killing future > opportunities. > > Competition is there. I see that data to be > deposited is strictly confidential. I support the > PDB to make the quality check work at the level you > mention, but not a reviewer: People are nice but > the world is big and competition is crazy… at > least enough to make fraud or copy other's work. The > latter is less difficult; by copying ("simply copy > and paste to my computer this nice structure that I > was looking for!"), there is no need to invent > anything. > > About a wrongly fit compound, the reviewer can ask > images about the model in a map calculated at a > specific sigma and in different orientations. > > Maria > > On 2 April 2012 18:43, Phoebe Rice > <pr...@uchicago.edu> wrote: > > Can we leverage this to push journals to routinely > allow reviewers access coordinates and maps? > > Outright fraud is outrageous, but I'm actually > more worried about ligands fit to marginal density > and other issues of under-supervised model > building. > > ===================================== > Phoebe A. Rice > Dept. of Biochemistry & Molecular Biology > The University of Chicago > phone 773 834 1723 > > http://bmb.bsd.uchicago.edu/Faculty_and_Research/01_Faculty/01_Faculty_Alphabetically.php?faculty_id=123 > http://www.rsc.org/shop/books/2008/9780854042722.asp > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 08:41:02 -0700 > >From: CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> > (on behalf of "Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat > a.D.)" <hofkristall...@gmail.com>) > >Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - Trends > in Data Fabrication > >To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > > > > Robbie has restored the PDB_REDO of 3k78 > > > > > > > > It is at > www.cmbi.ru.nl/pdb_redo/others/3k78.tar.bz2 > > > > > > > > and Louise Jones form the IUCr office has > kindly > > made the article open access. > > > > > > > > > http://journals.iucr.org/f/issues/2012/04/00/issconts.html > > > > > > > > BR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: CCP4 bulletin board > > [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of > Bernhard > > Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.) > > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 06:06 > > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > > Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] very informative - > Trends in > > Data Fabrication > > > > > > > > >Hofkristallrat auA*er Dienst, is > written as > > Bernhard - unless you are referring to some > other > > guy with a french name Bernard. > > > > > > > > As one may extrapolate given my recent paper, > I have > > been called names a lot worse.... > > > > > > > > A* And the book indeed is a bible of > xtallography. > > > > > > > > Enough of this - it is becoming embarrassing. > I wish > > I had done a more careful job proofing, as > over 500 > > errata attest to, > > > > and we all are only seeing further because we > are > > standing on the shoulders of giants. So once > again > > thanks > > > > to all the contributors I have pestered with > my > > questions on BB and then some, and to all > those who > > actually read BMC and > > > > submitted errata. > > > > > > > > Best regards, BR > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bernhard Hieronimus Rupp, Hofkristallrat a.D. > > 001 (925) 209-7429 > > +43 (676) 571-0536 > > hofkristall...@gmail.com > > b...@hofkristallamt.org > > http://www.ruppweb.org/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Once the sun of science is standing low, even > dwarfs > > cast tall shadows > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > -- > Maria Solà > Dep. Structural Biology > IBMB-CSIC > Baldiri Reixach 10-12 > 08028 BARCELONA > Spain > Tel: (+34) 93 403 4950 > Fax: (+34) 93 403 4979 > e-mail: maria.s...@ibmb.csic.es
