Pak Emil ini siapa ya... Sekretarisnya ya... Kok yang jawab setiap pertanyaan bukan Pak TAP sebagai sekjen APJII dengan 'salam internet bahagia"nya.
-catur On 8/23/05, Emil Djagoredo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pak Budi yang baik. > > Setahu saya salah satu program ISOC-ID yang di canangkan oleh > chairmannya ( TAP ) seperti : > 1. Bahwa ISOC terlibat dalam redelegasi pengelolaan domain .ID > > Hal ini juga sudah di sampaikan kepada bapak Irwan Effendi (IE)sewaktu > masih sekjen ISOC-ID. ( lihat thread2 IE ) > > Dalam perjalanan Pak Irwan lebih konsentrasi ke dunia pendidikan. > > Ujung2nya IE minta semua anggota isoc-id voting. supaya votingnya > sah, TAP di paksa untuk tetap ada di milisnya IE ( ISOCID ). Padahal > TAP jelas2 menyatakan keluar dari milis itu. > > Terima kasih. > > > > At 04:56 23/08/2005, you wrote: > > >FYI, > >Saya tidak tahu harus kemana untuk menanyakan hal ini. > >Email ke dir-pji mental karena hanya subscriber yang boleh kirim email. > >Tidak ada email terbuka untuk komunitas di sana. > > > >-- budi > > > >----- Forwarded message from Budi Rahardjo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- > > > >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 04:44:15 +0700 > >From: Budi Rahardjo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Pengatas-namaan kegiatan APJII oleh ISOC > >X-Mailer: GruWo OS Mutt > > > > > >Mohon maaf, saya ingin mendapat klarifikasi dari APJII. > >Karena tidak tahu alamat email yang harus digunakan, saya kirimkan > >kepada anda sekalian. > > > >Saat ini ISOC di Indonesia sedang mengalami masalah, dan bahkan sampai > >ke luar negeri. Ada beberapa hal yang diklaim oleh ISOC sebagai kegiatan > >dari ISOC Indonesia yang perlu mendapat klarifikasi dari APJII. > >Email di bawah ini merupakan pertanyaan saya kepada Robby Gura mengenai > >kegiatan yang diklaim merupakan kontribusi dari ISOC: > >1. Bahwa ISOC terlibat dalam redelegasi pengelolaan domain .ID > >2. Bahwa ISOC terlibat dalam restrukturisasi IIX. > >Saya mengatakan bahwa kegiatan di atas adalah terkait dengan APJII, > >bukan ISOC Indonesia. Mohon klarifikasi. > > > > > >-- budi > > > > > >----- Forwarded message from Budi Rahardjo > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- > > > >Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:23:20 +0700 > >From: Budi Rahardjo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Cc: James M Galvin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > Robby Gura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > "Lynn St.Amour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: [ISOCID] Fw: Current Conditions on ISOC-ID (fwd) > >X-Mailer: GruWo OS Mutt > > > > > > --On Thursday, August 18, 2005 7:35 AM +0700 Robby Gura > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > With regard to recent conditions involving ISOC-ID and Mr. Irwan > > > > > Effendi we would like to convey the followings: > >... [deleted] > > > > > 2. ISOC Indonesia is actively involved in many key areas in the > > > > > development of the Indonesia Internet Condition, among others is the > > > > > pivotal > > > > > role the ISOC Indonesia had played along with the government in the > > > > > re-delegation of cc.TLD manager from individual into government's > > > > > supervised institution. Other > > > > > noted role of ISOC is its heavy involvement in restructuring of > > > > > Indonesia's Internet Exchange (IIX). It is true that we do not held > > > > > any courses or seminars under ISOC banner > > > > > as Irwan and his friends did, but we can assure everyone that in the > > > > > near future we will held educative programs to help educate > > > > > Indonesian people. > >... > > > >As still the current .ID Country Code Top Level Domain manager, > >I have to comment on Robby Gura's email: > > > >1. It is NOT true that ISOC Indonesia involved in the redelegation > > of the .ID domain management. However, it is true that Teddy Purwadi > > is involved in the re-delegation of .ID domain. > > The process of re-delegation is a push from APJII (Association > > of Indonesian ISPs), of which Teddy Purwadi is the secretary. > > Teddy is acting as the secretary of APJII, not as an ISOC chairman. > > > > I have the first hand information on this. It could be proven > > by the meetings' attendance lists. > > > > I have never met Robby Gura's during any meeting regarding the > > .ID domain management fiasco. Perhaps Mr. Gura could enlighten me? > > (Maybe, I was asleep during the meetings?) > > > >2. There is NO ISOC involvement in in Indonesia's Internet Exchange > > (IIX). In fact, there is a big debate right now with the move/plan > > to make a commercial entity out of this IIX by APJII, as mandated > > by the latest APJII's General Assembly. > > The Indonesian Internet Exchange is in APJII's teritory. > > No ISOC involvement at all. > > (You can get the information from APJII's web site, which > > unfortunately is in Bahasa Indonesia. You can also contact APJII to > > get their formal response.) > > > > Perhaps Mr. Gura has more information on this? > > > > > >So, other than activities that were carried out by Irwan Effendi and > >other volunteers, I didn't (and don't) see any real activities from ISOC. > > > > > >... > > > > > 3. We did trust Mr. Efendi personally to act as an acting secretary, > > > > > however it seems that he used official ISOC-ID members database to > > > > > create his own unofficial ISOC mailing list. We tried to urge > > > > > him to use the existing official mailing list to no avail. As a > > > > > result, our admin de-list him from the official mailing list. So as > > > > > you may see, the de-listing of Irwan and his friends is a way of us > > > > > to react from his action. > > > >As one of the founders of Indonesia ISOC, I did nothing wrong, but I was > >delisted from the list too. > >I was (mostly) just a passive reader in both mailing lists until my address > >was removed from the local mailing list. No explanation was given. > >(Perhaps it is a good thing? I have too many emails anyway.) > > > >I could only speculate that the removal of my email address is due to > >the conflict in the domain management dispute. > > > >As a note, at one point, I expressed my intention on leaving ISOC. > >I think I should do it. But, I felt obliged to stay a while to nurture > >these young people. Argh. Moral dilemma. (Should I even care?) > > > >I am getting tired of all these (lies?). It has to stop! > > > >I guess, the Internet has changed. > >It's not based on trust and cooperation anymore. > >People are more concerned with power (position?). > >Oh well, live goes on. > > > >PS: In the next few weeks, I am going to resign as the .ID domain > >manager. Again, the same backstabbing (power struggle) happened there. > >I don't want to be part of it. I am getting too old for this. > > > >Cheers. > > > >-- budi rahardjo > >-- http://budi.insan.co.id > >-- http://gbt.blogspot.com > > > >----- End forwarded message ----- > > > >----- End forwarded message ----- > > >